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  1. Thank-you Ian for bringing Dr Gray’s article to our attention. What does it say about our priorities when we fully fund assisted dying but only partially fund palliative care and ambulance services. Interesting that this fact was not highlighted at the time of the referendum.

  2. Oh God this makes me want to reach for the gin bottle (@8.29am) I couldn’t access the article on my old laptop but your summary is a little depressing, Ian. There’s an old saying, ‘many a slip twixt cup & lip’ from the nation of tea drinkers where I was born (and not twix the chocolate bar, twixt = between) and as I lurch towards senility, far too old to be considered cool and useful, I am wondering how to get the funds to launch my ashes into space a la Hunter Thompson. Could I blackmail somebody, perhaps? or a hold up of my local MacD’s for some cash? I know my body (such as it is) parts are quite valuable in this trans-humanist environment but I do not want to be an organ donor, so hastening the cirrhosis and renal mouldering is perhaps t b a.
    Palliative care is possibly as extended and demanding a process as the birthing and nurturing of infants, and to slip quietly and peacefully into the next life surrounded by love and quiet..well that ain’t gonna happen with a bunch of ghouls keeping you on life support while they chop out the lucrative entrails, (some of them even tag them with their initials beforehand but that’s, well, that’s not another story, that’s actually what they do) …and having read how the prisoners on death row take half an hour to die in tortured agony, euthanasia doesn’t really appeal.
    I also find it a little strange, given the spurious lip service given by the bureaucracy to our landed gentry who actually know a great deal more about the coming and going of souls, that this funding situation exists.
    Thanks for the heads up, I have to go now, the thumbnail’s giving me ptsd.
    Aroha mai tatou, tena koutou katoa

  3. Dr Gray is right it makes a mockery of our Public health system ethos to fully fund euthanasia for a few when we aren’t equitably funding palliative care and for that matter many other forms of health treatments, care and medications that can prevent premature death at the same time give many NZers a better quality of life. Whilst palliative care in NZ is currently under utilized by both Maori and PI as many prefer to still care for their own and many have a strong senses of obligation and lack of trusts and understanding of the benefits of good palliative care. Also there is very little financial help for those who choose to care for their elderly saving the state a lot of money, yet there is funding to euthanize. We have our priorities wrong and this needs to change.

    1. That’s why I didn’t vote for Euthanasia. Legalised dying as a substitute for a working health system.

  4. We had a referendum on this issue and the great majority of the nation voted to approve it. I get that you don’t like the referendum result, but at the end of the day “the people have spoken”.

    Assisted dying is a medical procedure (just like abortion) and the choice of whether to partake in it or not rests solely with the person involved.

    1. Simonm, haven’t you missed the whole point of the article? Nowhere does it question the right to assisted dying – it draws attention to the inequitable funding model only. Could it be that it’s ‘fully funded’ as it will be accessed mainly by privileged white folks? If was afterall the handiwork of David Seymour and that’s his support base.

      1. No, I think I understood the point of Dr Powell’s article just fine. If his only objection to euthanasia was that palliative care was inequitably funded in comparison, he would have argued for equitable funding for both – he doesn’t.

        As for the bill being entirely David Seymour’s handiwork, that’s incorrect too. I think you’ll find this woman had just as much input into it as he did; and you couldn’t find two more diametrically opposed viewpoints on just about any other issue:

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryan_Street

        1. First, I’m not a doctor. Second, views on the referendum are irrelevant to the purpose of both Dr Gray’s and my blogs. The issue is the unfair funding mechanism. Either patients should be able to be charged a co-payment (Gray) or hospices should be truly fully funded (me and possibly also Gray).

          1. I assumed that since you were formerly the
            ‘Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists’ that you are or had been a salaried medical specialist yourself – my mistake.

            If your issue is with an unfair funding mechanism for end-of-life options, could you please clarify if you support full funding for both patient-directed euthanasia and palliative care?

          2. I support full funding (ie, at a level to ensure patient co-payments aren’t necessary for all primary healthcare, not just these two issues. But, in the absence of this, palliative care should take priority over assisted dying for the reasons outlined in Dr Gray’s article.

  5. Agree with Peter about how unequitable it is to fully fund euthanasia when we can’t and aren’t funding other areas of health at the same level. Also the majority of NZers voted for our current government but that hasn’t stopped many right wingers, the rich and many business people from rubbishing them at every opportunity they get and we know these people get many. A referendum is majority rules not exactly fair to the TOW partner and other disadvantaged groups like PI peoples.

  6. Agree with Peter about how unequitable it is to fully fund euthanasia when we can’t and aren’t funding other areas of health at the same level. Also the majority of NZers voted for our current government but that hasn’t stopped many right wingers, the rich and many business people from rubbishing them at every opportunity they get and we know these people get many. A referendum is majority rules not exactly fair to the TOW partner and other disadvantaged groups like PI peoples.

  7. “Privately employed doctors and nurse practitioners can claim a gazetted government fee but can’t charge patients a co-payment.’
    The gazetted fee is $1087. Is this not sufficient payment for the paperwork and carrying out a relatively simple medical procedure? And, of course, doctors aren’t only motivated by money. A significant number will see helping a person die when they are getting close to death to be a humane act (like the vast majority of humans who don’t believe their lives belong to someone else’s God and that only He can shorten it).
    Furthermore, the terminally ill chew up an extraordinary amount of money and resources in their final months and weeks. Patients wanting an assisted death are mostly going to have this done at home, depart slightly earlier, and are going to take up far fewer resources than palliative care generally will when taken right to the bitter end. For some (including me) selecting an assisted death will be partly motivated by altruism — so that younger, fitter people can get treated rather than them (and me) gobbling up medical resources at a time when our time is clearly up.
    Has this difference been factored into the argument? I suspect apples are not being compared to apples here.
    Also, the sly reference implying that VAD is only likely to be used by educated whites may (or may not) be true, but it shouldn’t be taken as evidence Maori don’t support it. A survey last last year showed majority support in all seven Maori electorates.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/euthanasia-debate/300133192/euthanasia-referendum-poll-shows-majority-of-mori-voters-support-assisted-dying

    1. The medical procedure may be “relatively simple” but the work undertaken before isn’t including time for sensitive discussions and diagnosis.

      The reference to ‘educated whites’ wasn’t “sly”. It was Dr Gray reported on the experience of assisted dying in Oregon. It might be uncomfortable or concerning but not sly.

      1. “According to U.S. Census data, 4.1 million people were living in Oregon as of July 2017. … Among people living in Oregon in 2016, 76% identified as white, 13% Latina(o), 5% Asian and Pacific Islander, 2% African American, 1% American Indian and Alaska Native, and 3% two or more races.”

        Mystery solved I think.

          1. The next largest population segment in Oregon is identified as ‘Latina(o) at 13%. I worked with lots of Mexican people in California and 99.9% were practicing Catholics. They would never have utilised assisted dying or abortion services because of their religious beliefs. This is entirely their choice to make. However, one person or ethnicity’s right to make their own medical decisions doesn’t preclude other people or ethnicities from making their own personal end-of-life or reproductive choices.

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