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  1. Appreciate the link. Most interesting.

    It is a must read in regards explaining Core and Peripheral countries.
    It is a pity we don’t have a New Zealand Reserve Bank that can do such in-depth discussion raising research for our local endeavours.

    Specially in regards the environment and oil usage. Last paragraph sums up the dilemma. If China becomes a core country, the environment (and earth) will change dramatically. Can humans survive China becoming a core country (as their leaders goals are currently)?

    “Finally, there is the unlikely scenario that China somehow “succeeds” in its national project to “catch up” with the West and joins the core of the capitalist world system. In this scenario, the combined energy demand by China and the existing core countries, as well as the enormous greenhouse gas emissions and other pollutants generated by a greatly expanded imperialist core, will completely overwhelm the global ecological system, destroying not only the environment but also any meaningful hope for a sustainable human civilization. It is therefore in the best interest of humanity as well as China that such a scenario does not materialize.”

    So what will the New Zealand Greens do?

    1. @Gerrit

      That’s easy, they will focus on virtue signalling and middle class welfare, whilst persuing a legislative program criminalizing males and free speech … because you know environment??

  2. Agree that the rhetoric on China is driven by economics and power politics rather than a concern for human rights however your seeming dismissal of Taiwan and soft pedaling on China is ridiculous.

    “The claim for Taiwanese self-determination would be stronger if it were to drop the absurdity of calling itself the Republic of China. This would remove overblown pretentiousness and enhance legitimacy.’”

    If verbal jousting was a key means of determining legitimacy, one could equally point to the ‘overblown pretentiousness’ of China’s ‘wolf-warrior’ diplomats throwing hissy-fits when someone calls Taiwan a ‘country’.
    To expand slightly on your history lesson it’s worth noting that Chiang Kai-Shek’s ROC forces were responsible for roughly 99% of the fighting against the Japanese. The resulting exhaustion may have been decisive in their later defeat by Mao’s forces. However Mao did not take Taiwan and Taiwan calling itself ROC is no more absurd (arguably far less) than the PROC’s claim of Taiwan as a province.

  3. CCP China has no claim to Taiwan other than historical colonization. Defeated Ming forces occupied Taiwan. later after giving up fight against Qing Koxinga made himself an independent King/Kingdom later after his death his heirs submitted to Qing, later Qing overthrown by KMT, later KMT defeated in Taiwan by Japanese, then Japanese defeated/surrendered in Taiwan by KMT. CCP never governed Taiwan so has no legitimate claim. KMT governed Taiwan so has more legitimacy but still just colonialist imperialist occupier. Spanish Colonisers, Dutch Colonisers, Ming & Qing royalists have just as much claim as CCP LOL

    1. To avoid ambiguity (hopefully) I said that China had a claim, not the claim, to Taiwan. Personally I believe it comes down to a question of the right to self-determination but it can’t be realised while Taiwan continues to call itself the Republic of China.

  4. I think Minqi Li is right that China has yet to catch up with the US. But it is definitely on that trajectory. He fails to note just how exceptional China’s growth has been since 2000. Not only did it maintain its independence from imperialism after it restored capitalism in the 1990s, allowing FDI in on strict terms including transfer if IP, it has come from behind and is still overtaking the declining Western imperialist powers.
    Of course its US bonds allows the US to pump value out of China for nothing. But the US does this to all other countries and its hegemony rests on the dollar. The important point is that bailing out US is a strength for China, and a weakness for the US reflecting their respective trajectories.
    This is an important point. The rivalry between imperialist powers is a zero-sum game. Any China gain is a US loss. So the increased flow of value and resources going to China is not peculiar to China. The earth has already passed its capacity to sustain capitalism. Imperialist rivalry means that we will now face more pressure for war as they fight over what is left of resources.
    War is always at the expense of the producers of value, the working class, creating the conditions for revolution. At this point the determining factor will be the response of nature, led by the global working class representing humanity, as part of nature, putting an end to the capitalocene and restoring the balance between humanity and nature.

    1. Agree re the zero sum game of imperial powers and where that likely leads, but I’m not convinced the upward trajectory of China is a given. The reforms Deng Xiaoping put in place allowing China’s rise are being reversed under Xi to preserve CCP hegemony (and relevance). In addition there is a raft of directives that have a cultural revolution flavour turning back the clock on social liberalism and further towards a Han ethno-nationalist state. Economically there are rolling blackouts and a debt ponzi scheme in the construction industry (about 25% of GDP) that is in the process of collapsing, not to mention the roads to nowhere, ghost cities and notoriously poor quality control that has been created as a result.

      Beyond that the “increased flow of value and resources going to China” can easily be cut by the US and it’s allies, arguably the most significant part of the AUKUS deal is not submarines but the missile systems that can disrupt shipping to/from China while staying clear of China’s own navy that can only project power regionally within air cover of the mainland. In the open water the Chinese Navy, while outnumbering the US in vessels, is far behind in tonnage, range and capability.

      1. Yes China’s growth will inevitably lead to war with US as China must grow to survive, and the US must stop it to survive. There is no point debating the ins and outs of this except to challenge war as the necessary outcome.
        Those who always pay the price of war, the mass majority who produce the wealth, have the power to strike to halt the global economy and refuse to fight in any of these wars.
        What stands between them and the tiny ruling class are the layers of bureaucrats, mercenaries and spies who don’t have the capacity to defeat a mobilised and armed mass movement.
        That mass movement to survive will be the power base for a new society which reverses the rush to extinction and returns us to harmony with nature.

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