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  1. Thanks Geoff. I will be keeping a copy of this article and be using it as an important summary for considering the sovereignty in this country. The anarchist in me likes the personal sovereignty concept of tino rangatiratanga, but historically humanity does seem to have a thing for kings and emperors and priests and ceremony and ritual etc.

    1. Thanks Seer. There are important questions around how states accommodate political and other differences. In this respect the Realm of New Zealand does not have a good record. It has always been tougher on dissent than the “mother country”, the United Kingdom. The stand off at parliament in 2022 over vaccine mandates is a case in point. Mandates were a mistake, because they were ineffective. They were ineffective because the vaccine itself was relatively ineffective and if the vaccine had been effective, the mandates would have been unnecessary. Yet the state had no way, means or desire to reach a negotiated agreement with the dissidents. So it ended in violence. This reveals both a state of mind and structural factors in the New Zealand state which make it disinclined to find consensus. Through having a majority a party or coalition achieves absolute power and uses that power to ride roughshod over others. This has been the way the New Zealand state has operated since our nineteenth century wars of resistance.
      The Realm of New Zealand is a unified and centralized state even in comparison to its imperial partner states, the United Kingdom, United States of America, Canada and the Commonwealth of Australia, which all have federal (or in the case of the UK, quasi-federal) systems of government. New Zealand moved away from the federal (provincial) model very early on for reasons which had to do with the need to rapidly populate and develop the country in order to counter the challenge from Maori. So the way in which the New Zealand state operates was and is based on the perceived need to contain Maori and every other potential source of dissent. (It will be argued that New Zealand needs to be unified on account of its relatively small size. However other small states also successfully employ various kinds of federal system).
      A unified and centralized state like the Realm of New Zealand, paradoxically, can be an inherently unstable state. Because of the absence of checks and balances, it can swing from one extreme to another with every turn of the electoral cycle, a phenomenon which has become clearly apparent over the past year.
      There are other options open to us. Most people are aware that the common English translation of Whakaminenga is “confederation” which means that rangatiratanga must operate on the basis of consensus, negotiation and where necessary compromise, and these values are entrenched in the mindset of rangatiratanga. The requirement for negotiation and consensus may seem cumbersome but it is actually a lot more efficient than a standoff involving thousands of citizens and hundreds of police which carries on over a period of months and ends in violent chaos. A hui between rangatira would have sorted that particular issue within a few days at most. When we understand how rangatiratanga and te whakaminenga works we will understand its capacity to resolve issues peacefully and constructively. That is something worth working for.

  2. For the next 200 years there will be an argument for dual sovereignty based on the simple fact that not one can articulate what it will look like structurally or how the dual sovereignty will work. What we get is the word salad and minced meat essays like above. For goodness sake, if you want to achieve something, set out your vision, how to achieve this, and what the outcome will be. How to influence people to your notons and how to win people over to your side of thinking requires more than “we want sovereignty “call.

    This word salad and mince meat concoction is easy meat for anyone to throw back into the faces of those seeking sovereignty.

    So lets have some discussion on how this dual sovereignty will work.

    Start with the often called for, Maori Parliamant.

    Will the Maori parliament take precedent over the current peoples parliament?
    Will it be able to raise taxes from Maori to spent only on Maori initiatives?
    Will it be fully funded from Maori tax payers and wealth owners including IWI and Hapu.
    Will it be able to set new laws pertaining to Maori only with a separate police and judiciary to enforce the decisions?

    Until you put some sound ideas and structure on the “we want sovereignty” call, you are pissing in the wind.

    Interesting to read Keith Sinclair book “The Origins Of The Maori Wars” and the Waitara purchase. History is not always in Maori favour in regards who owns what, for the wars was one off the defeated and dispossessed trying to sell their previous held land to the Settlement Board. The conquering Waikato tribe said no (having farmed the land and thus taken ownership off said land by Maori custom) it was not for the dispossessed tribe to sell. Hence the Maori argy bargy over who owned the land and the resultant war.

    1. There’s a reason that most people want to leave any dictatorship as people cannot be trusted with absolute control, while the USA has the constitution there are indications that a church state combination is coming that will destroy the freedoms it promises.

    2. I’ll second the reply of Gerrit but conjecture a cause of this nebulous abstracting: Historical bits of paper and precedent serve as stablizing ballast for a society, but ultimately none of it matters. All that matters is what rules the present set of people collectively want to/can agree to live under. Who can go where, use what, and who ultimately has final say – these are what matter, and abstractions to gods or crowns as justification are ultimately, if anything meaningful at all, just encoded ways of expressing these facts.

      Why then do we persist in waxing poetic about metaphysical legal constructions? In part because pseuds simply don’t understand that this is what they are doing, but I suspect more cynically it is understood that when kept in a realm of abstraction, there is more room to maneuver. If one of these legal scholars were forced to put into plain terms what precisely it is they want (seperate authorities, some sort of veto power, disproportionate rights based on bloodline, etc.) or make explicit the implicit threats of violence they like to dogwhistle in the event that they don’t get their way, they know that everyone else would be aghast at those suggestions, and it would lose them much of the popular support they’ve strung along with half-truths and dazzling words.

      So instead we get this. A whole lot of extra words to say that “power is in violence and what people can be made to believe” and to revel in it. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

  3. This is a very well written and articulate article about the conceptual aspects of the Treaty. It explains the concepts simply and efficiently, as well as providing modern interpretation of those concepts.
    The only point I might disagree with is the reference to “convention” not being part of law. In NZ law, as I was taught in Law101 at Canterbury, there are three types of law in NZ that are enforceable, statute, judge-made law (common law) and convention. None has superiority over the other, when day to day decisions are made. As laws cannot be made retrospective, none of the three types can contradict each other, BUT parliament can pass statutes nullifying any one of the other two IF it has a mandate to do so – there are rules about that too.
    For most people, the pragmatic power of parliament remains the practicing power in NZ to raise taxes and spend them. That is the exercise of Government power. 90/95% of that is uncontentious – it’s practical pragmatic use of money doing things the individual cannot do alone, like roads, electricity etc.
    The other 5/10% is. And that’s where this debate is important.
    As the article pointed out, in a democracy, power resides in the combined will of individuals electing representatives to perform certain tasks. The majority rules, despite the tyranny that entails. But provided the basic rights of the minority aren’t undermined, the short term of parliament means no real damage can be done that can’t be undone.
    Theoretical definitions of power need to be put to practical test to see if the theory is correct.
    In the case of Maori sovereignty, as the article points out, dissatisfaction with the current wealth/income gap means the underlying power structure in NZ needs to change. Maori sovereignty is one of the ways currently being considered as a means to do so. There are others.
    Utopia is always striven for but never achieved, but the journey is interesting.

  4. Yesterday I had the pleasure of attending the Maniapoto schools Kapahaka competitions at Piopio college.Unfortunatly I was seated next to Babara Kuriger ,who farms stolen land in Taranaki .Once the Powhiri was over she scuttled off to be seen by the the local Kamatua and Kuia and the local mayor for a photo op then she vanished into the wind .She did not stay to watch any performances as it was clearly too uncomfortable for her to watch the future of NZ performing as one no matter what nationality they are .Yes it was a show of mixed race kids having a great time regardless from where they came and they all performed with pride in who they are .There is a young lady from Latvia ,a family of recent arrivals from Cambodia who know little english as well .Those boys clearly had picked up the Maori language and performed with gusto .If this is what is the future of NZ looks like long may it last and Kruiger and her redneck mates can scurry away to their stolen land .

  5. Ranginui Walker declared years ago that the relationship between tangata whenua and tangata tiriti would be decided between the bedsheets. I heard recently on RNZ that a third of school age children had Maori ancestry. The trend is obvious but not the outcome. This is going to need both sides to forge a joint path in which the best or most appropriate of both is taken. That is precisely what Seymour is so frightened of.

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