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  1. NZ society (like all ‘advanced’ western-style societies) is predicated on the continuous looting and polluting the commons.

    It is difficult to see how any transition away from such arrangements can be achieved at this late stage in the game when the noise of commercial activity drowns out discussion of reality.

  2. Has this article been cut and pasted from elsewhere? The disconcerting font changes make it look like that.

    “Baby Boomers were lucky enough to live under Governments who rebuilt their societies post World War Two with the lesson of what happened if citizens weren’t protected from the sharp boom and busts of capitalism foremost in their minds. Those Governments inoculated their citizens from Fascism and Communism with a Democratic Welfare State and investment into their hopes and aspirations.”

    A bit of history would be useful. The move to a welfare state happened here well before the outbreak of WW2; the same is true elsewhere in the world (in Germany, the notion of the welfare state originated in the 16th century). That move was a consequence of the privations suffered by many citizens during the Great Depression.

    I’d point out further, that, until the Rogernomics bulldozer ran over the economy, NZ societal arrangements were communist in all but name. Many of the largest employers were government-owned; in that sense, the economy was redistributive. As for being protected from fascism, in many respects, this society prior to Rogernomics exhibited elements of fascism: authoritarian, conformist, not particularly tolerant of dissent (just ask the anti-Vietnam War protesters), with political leanings that were centrist to right-wing. Not so much ultranationalism, though, as far as I can recall.

    In NZ, the proponents of Rogernomics in the Lange government were neoliberals, but they weren’t baby boomers: they were the generation before the boomers. It wasn’t boomers who invented and foisted neoliberalism upon us, after all; it has a much deeper history than that.

    The large scale changes to the economy forced upon us by Rogernomics did, I’d argue, disproportionate and longterm damage to boomers, who at that time comprised a significant chunk of the workforce. Many boomers (including, of course, many Maori) lost their livelihoods and never fully recovered what they’d lost. The ’87 stockmarket crash wiped out share portfolios for everyone, not just the boomers. In fact, it’s likely that relatively few boomers were shareholders: it was the employment changes of Rogernomics that affected boomers the most.

    Remember that the baby boom was an artefact of post-WW2: a consequence of all those men going back home from active service. None of us asked to be born, but we were the beneficiaries of considerable improvements in public health, and the arrival of vaccination programmes, so infant and child mortality rates were lower among us than in previous generations.

    “Their subsidised life from cradle to grave helped build the wealth they enjoy. ”

    Right. Like Rogernomics never happened. Subsidised, my foot! If only… We got belted about the ears by Rogernomics, remember? I sure do.

    “User pays Generations…”

    That includes boomers. As we’re all too painfully aware.

    Yes, we in NZ have the Universal Super. It is the epitome of the redistributive state: given to all, regardless of their income. It is something that we can – and should – hang on to, not just for us, but for all the generations following us. And there is no reason why that cannot be the case.

    “Boomers have an obligation for change because we have caused wholesale change.”

    OK. Like all those previous generations lived lightly on the land and caused no damage at all, at all. It has taken a long time and a lot of effort by the human species to get to where we are. Don’t put this trip solely on boomers.

    I’ve had a longstanding interest in climate science; the changes we’re witnessing now have their origins deep in the past. Some are human-induced, others a part of climate cycles over which we humans have little influence. I’m not certain that we know the difference.

    Climate change is upon us, whether we like it or not. And nothing we do right now will make a blind bit of difference to what’ll happen over the next lot of years. Ask any scientist: it’s the unpalatable fact that they don’t want to say outright. But that’s the truth of it.

    1. Exactly.

      To sneer at the well off receiving universal superannuation when they ‘don’t need’ it, is to imply that the socialism we (so called baby boomers) grew up under is something you don’t want. Am I understanding you right Donna?

    2. I am possibly a bit older than you D’Esterre but still regards myself as a boomer gen surrounding the WWII population increase by births.

      We looked forward to retiring at 60 and had that snatched away by neo liberal mindwash. The boomer generation paid high rates of taxation which built much of NZ’s infrastructure still used today.

      rogernomincs was a result of crass willfulness of corrupt politicians responding to their shadowy associations with big money from offshore sources.

      NZ was never communist.

      Some folk for their own reasons use that “C” word to denigrate others to the ears of some who don’t understand what the word means.

      Certainly the boomers did critical changes to a way of life, changes that accelerated both climate change, Non Renewable Natural Resource harvesting and destruction.

      That responsibility is generally denied out of willful minded convenience.

      The damage cannot be undone but the rate of damage continues to increase today.

      Business NZ continues to deny need for change so deserves a boycott and other actions to break their patronage of destruction.

      They are run largely by boomers or their “business as usual” apprentices.

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