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  1. In Wellington the local iwi Te Atiawa were given Shelly Bay as a part of there treaty settlement.
    Atiawa management sold it off to developers even though the iwi were against selllng that ex NZ defense site and court action is being explored. Meanwhile developers are seeking to make mega millions with multi story apartment blocks that Wellington City Council is against.

    The leader of Te Atiawa was found corrupt and jailed but the deal was done. Under the table back handers are rife.

    Ownership gives right to mortgage or sell.
    Ownership is not a good model for community land or assets. Where there is money to be harvested corruption rules unless the land or assets are immutably invested into communal bodies in a way that they cannot be taken over or dispersed.
    Ownership of Foreshore or seabed without safeguards would mean loss of such to the public, wildlife and marine health in the long run. No national asset should be owned by a group without National management being a pert of the kaupapa. Protection of NZ’s resources is paramount and that includes land and water as well as social and communal amenities.

    1. John. You assume that things might be different with ‘safeguards’ and ‘immutable’ rules for communal bodies to prevent corruption, without any change in the class base of the capitalist state. I don’t, whatever the formal arrangements, such land remains capitalist land because as you say it is “owned” in such as way as to further the production of profits. Today globally most ownership of land is ultimately that of the big banks backed by their national governments. Private property has been concentrated at the top. I would say this is corruption of a higher order, parasitical on the labour of others. Communal land that serves the interests of the people and their needs without profit or corruption would require a new type of democracy where the working majority rules their own lives.

      1. Agreed Dave.
        Henry George had a solution where Govt owned all land and natural resources.
        No private ownership.

  2. Kia ora Dave
    I may have missed something there, but I read quite a lot about what Maori should do, but didn’t see anything about what you yourself intend to do. Do you have a plan of action by means of which Ihumaatao can be restored as communal land?

    1. Gidday Geoff. I applaud what Te Whiti and Tohu did. I applaud the young women leading the struggle at Ihumaatao, which I see as in the spirit of Parihaka. What I am trying to do is show how the return and defence of Maori land as communal land rather than corporate land is capable of undermining capitalist private property, giving us a chance of building a united movement to overcome the catastrophic effects of the double economic and ecological crises facing us. I don’t have a plan of action for Ihumaatao but I believe the lessons are already there in the history of land struggles that lost. For example, at the time of the foreshore and seabed, we supported land occupations of the F&S backed by the unions and and united Maori, Pakeha and others to defeat the F&S legislation. It lost because it got diverted into parliament. We all have to play our part in that struggle since is a common struggle. As a Marxist revolutionary I support the right of Maori self-determination but believe that that will not be won short of a future socialist world. Here’s a few articles that tell you something about the part we have played and continue to play in this common struggle.
      https://trotskyistinspain.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/justice-for-steven-wallace/
      https://trotskyistinspain.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/lets-occupy-the-foreshore-not-cabinet/
      https://redrave.blogspot.com/2016/03/for-socialist-aotearoa.html
      https://redrave.blogspot.com/2012/01/30-years-ago-owen-gager-on-towards.html
      There is much more where that came from!

      1. The occupation strategy followed by Pania Newton and SOUL makes obvious sense and to date I think we can say that it has been effective.
        I understand that you are questioning the aims of the occupation rather than the strategy itself, and the aim as I understand it is to assure a future for the 32 hectares at Ihumaatao in which there is no housing or other development and the land remains more or less in its current state. That aim does not preclude central or local government or for that matter iwi ownership but if the dispute resolution is based on central government buying out Fletcher Residential, then one would expect the land to come under the authority of some part of the colonial regime.
        Should that be acceptable to us? I believe that it can be, because I see such a resolution as being a holding action on a piece of land that will in the future become a memorial to those who made such a vital contribution to the birth of our nation in 1863.
        The alternative would be for us to resume the mass occupation and defend Ihumaatao against all comers for as long as it takes – that is, until the fall of the colonial regime. I am prepared to do that if Pania issues the call, but I don’t necessarily think it would be a sound strategy for us to adopt.
        A holding position on Ihumaatao, even one that leaves it under colonial administration for the time being, makes more sense. That will leave us free to fight the regime elsewhere, in situations more favorable to us, and where the regime will have difficulty in effectively utilizing its forces. Ihumaatao could be held indefinitely but the cost would be high and I personally question whether it would be worth the price when we may have another acceptable option.

        1. Gidday Geoff. I would use the term tactic if limited to the aim of the occupation at Ihumaatao as you present it, that of protecting the land in its current state. I would define land occupations as a strategy when they are aimed at the return of communal land.

          I don’t know if continuing the current occupation to advance that aim would be a good tactic or not in the light of other options without clarifying what those other ‘acceptable options’ might be.

          As a Marxist, my view is that other acceptable options would be ones that are more effective in mobilising direct, collective action, such as strikes and occupations, to advance the aim of replacing the current colonialist state/’regime’ with a socialist state based on communal land.

          1. Kia ora Dave
            We still have communal/hapu/whanau land and the area of that communal land is increasing in some parts of the motu and within some iwi or hapu. Clearly the concept of “communal land” covers a multitude of tenures, forms and tikanga. Legally some is general title land farmed or managed communally. Some is Maori title land managed by trusts. Some is farmed commercially, and some used for subsistence agriculture, hunting and gathering. These lands are very important to their respective tangata whenua but usually not so interesting to the wider population.
            Ihumaatao is different. Because of its historical associations it matters very much to the entire nation.
            So while I would be happy for the tangata whenua to regain communal ownership of the land, I would not, for example, be happy to see it covered over with housing, factories or parking lots. My support for and involvement in the struggle is predicated on the kaupapa that Pania Newton and SOUL have articulated, which is that the land stays more or less in its current or historical state. Re-establishment of traditional mara kai, a marae and even a traditional kainga would be fine by me, but European/capitalist style development would not.
            The “other option” to communal ownership is where that aim of “current or historical state” is “secured” under the ownership and administration of the colonial state. That would not be ideal, but it would amount to a politically practicable holding action.
            Now if Pania and SOUL say “No, we will hold out for communal ownership” then the preservation of Ihumaatao will almost certainly become a fight to the death with the colonial regime.
            Because Ihumaatao is nationally important, I would be there, and so, I presume, would you, and if God wills that we die at Ihumaatao in defense of iwi and whenua, ka pai, it would be a great and glorious thing.
            But I am not advocating that. I favour a measured and patient approach in the certain knowledge that victory will be ours in the end, and that the time remaining to the colonial regime is to be measured in decades at most. A holding action at Ihumaatao will suffice.

          2. Gidday Geoff, yes if Tania and SOUL decided to continue the fight to restore full Iwi ownership and control of Ihumaatao, I would certainly support it.

            Such is the global crisis and its impact on Aotearoa, where the economy is being further colonised by the TPPA etc., I am sure that it would spark a wider movement, and challenge the racist colonial mentality, much as we argued over the F&S confiscation.

            State ownership or management including ‘holding operations’ cannot hold for long while peoples basic needs are unmet. Occupations while declaring our strategic aims also demonstrate our ability to collectively organise and provide such needs. The inevitability of change, for me, is assured only as a result of such mobilisations and the lessons drawn.

            Working people need to shed any illusions they hold in Parliament and politicians, rise up and take over the economy so that they can plan for their basic needs being met. Occupations, and strikes in solidarity that reflect the will of working people are necessary tactics in that strategy.

          3. Pania and SOUL have set out a kaupapa which appeals to “nga tangata katoa”. That is why they have been able to mobilize such wide spread popular support for the occupation of Ihumaatao.
            I believe that any attempt to change that kaupapa by putting the focus on “communal” (i.e. iwi or hapu) ownership rather than matters of national and civic interest (environmental, social and historical) would narrow the base of support and might actually alienate some current supporters.
            You, on the other hand, write “I am sure that it (i.e. a communal kaupapa GF) would spark a wider movement, and challenge the racist colonial mentality”.
            I will stay with Pania Newton on this one.
            If the hapu could restore communal ownership by purchasing the land from Fletcher Residential as a willing seller, no reasonable person could object.
            But if the kaitiaki leave it up to the colonial government to use “taxpayers’ money” to buy out Fletcher Residential’s interest in the land then reasonable people would expect that any such peaceful resolution should be in the direct interest of “nga tangata katoa” rather than of the hapu alone.
            So I think you are reading this one incorrectly Dave.
            It is better to keep nga tangata katoa to the fore. That in itself is a powerful challenge to the “racist colonial mentality” and our only way to victory over the colonial regime.

          4. Gidday Geoff.
            Perhaps. We shall see. I am not trying to change the kaupapa. I point out that govt buying the land for all NZers would dodge the issue of private property as the basis of colonial oppression, and certainly not challenge the white settler racism that justifies land confiscation. It indulges the fantasy that the Treaty can be honoured by the old ideology of “one people”. Don’t you see the historical injustice of the same settler state that confiscated Ihumaatao to give it to white settlers, giving it back to “the people”, but not the hapu and iwi. And led by the same Labour Govt that confiscated the F&S in the name of “one people”. The only serious challenge to settler racism is for Pakeha to join the fight to return privately owned land to the people from whom it was stolen.

          5. Private or communal land? It can be both. That is why I do not regard “private property” as either sacrosanct on the one hand or an abomination on the other, and that is why in some particular cases I have campaigned for the rights of private property owners (including my own rights and the rights of my whanau) and in other cases (such as the Fletcher Residential land at Ihumaatao) I suggest that those rights can be abrogated or curtailed for the greater good of society. That may infer a double standard, but I think if we were to consider the particular cases you would concede that my approach is not inconsistent.
            A “moral” approach might be for the colonial state to return all confiscated land to the descendants of its original owners. However that would be a political, financial and administrative impossibility. We cannot turn the clock back to 1870. We have to move forward from here, and I suggest that we move forward as one people in the spirit of kotahitanga which is, as it happens, the kaupapa of the kaitiaki of Ihumaatao. In any case full restoration would give only the appearance of justice. It would not make us all truly equal or guarantee our right to a life on the land.
            Pania Newton and SOUL have not demanded that title be returned to the hapu, (although that is clearly an option) because they have a broader perspective.
            In the 1860s and 1870s the nationalist cause suffered a series of defeats in the wars against the British precisely because it failed to achieve the necessary degree of unity among iwi. To achieve final victory against the colonial state we need solidarity of Maori and Pakeha, Polynesian, Asian and all other peoples. In other words, we need to become one people in order to negate the divide and rule strategy of the colonial regime.
            In reality the tikanga of “one people” or kotahitanga is incompatible with the preservation of the colonial state and colonialism in general. Therefore the regime must go, and in that process large areas of land which are under corporate as distinct from whanau or hapu ownership, will can be returned to the people.
            By the way, confiscation was not actually “justified by white settler racism”. “White settlers” who were in sympathy with the Kingitanga also had their lands confiscated. The raupatu may have been driven by greed, but it was “justified” by the refusal of our people to give unconditional allegiance to the British sovereign.
            The colonial state has never departed from its position, and we have not abandoned ours. It is an conflict yet to be resolved, but it will eventually be resolved entirely in our favour.

    2. Geoff I replied to your question yesterday but it hasn’t appeared yet.

      Just it got lost in the silly season here is the gist.

      I don’t have an action plan for Ihumātao but support it as a step towards restoring stolen land as Maori communal land. The impending ‘settlement’ is likely to fall short of that, and the article explains why I think that is so.

      My reference to Parihaka shows that I don’t think that the return to communal land will happen unless it is part of a wider anti-capitalist movement that emerges to resist paying for the crisis of capitalism, including climate collapse. And that will not happen unless Maori land occupations win mass support across the whole working class and oppressed groups in Aotearoa and the Pacific.

      For example, the Foreshore and Seabed struggle for Maori ownership could only have succeeded if it were backed by mass occupations that challenged parliamentary rule as managing the continuing colonisation of Aotearoa.
      https://trotskyistinspain.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/occupy-for-sure-from-pakaitore-to-parliament-and-back/

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