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  1. I wonder if its that easy since censorship is going to be Internet Service Providers (ISP) doing the actual enforcing of the block lists, rather than the police knocking on some end-user’s door.

    How long will proxy servers remain viable, when they can just be censor as well (and as fast as they can be found, since ministers won’t need a court order to blocks block someone). Of course we are talking about hate speech and peoples emotions and nothing will get out of hand. Am I correct?

    Can you think of any other ways to circumvent an ISP censor? Trying to modify their block lists is going to be tightly controlled since its going to be their ass in court (and in jail) if that’s not kept on a short leash.

  2. The child’s right to life vs semi automatic gun ownership is a false dichotomy.
    All semi autos could have been simply been put in to E category (more strict control) which in NZ has a 0% offense rate, and saved the taxpayer many millions and a bunch of guns going underground .
    Banning large capacity magazines had been called for for years by gun owners but no action was taken.
    And a gun register… please list below all the instances where a gun register has prevented a crime: there are none? Gun registers do not prevent crime this has been found all over the world.
    Australia, held up as a shining example if gun control, has a large underworld gun problem and higher gun Joni use rate than NZ.
    Arthur Allan Thomas was the only time a register came in handy for the cops, and it does give them a (faulty)list of lawfully owned guns when they decide to confiscate the next lot.
    Criminals aren’t affected at all by a register – they simply grind the serial number off.
    Vetting works when the cops do it properly.
    How many are aware this government was making moves to reduce vetting and doing it online?

    1. If the register is introduced now (with so much recent ill will created over ‘railroaded’ legislation) it simply means those that want to register firearms will, those who don’t- won’t. So the unintended consequences are that- at a stroke it will potentially take a large number of firearms out of secure safes and into hiding or even out on to the black market eventually. Armed crime /gang warfare will likely go up in NZ over the next few years if that is the case, and probably fueling more shoot outs with the police.

      1. Clearly everyone who is concerned about undemocratic process and police failings must be a “gun nut” eh mjolnir?
        That’s the woke moral police go to tactic isn’t it.
        Far be it for anyone to have safety concerns over badly thought out law.
        Or you could discuss the article if you were able to refute any of my points..

        1. People have a right to mobility, but they need a driver’s license to operate an automobile or a pilot’s license to operate an aircraft. People have a right to own property, but not to pollute or use child labor or run a factory without paying attention to health and safety codes. When you drive a car, pilot a plane, own and operate a restaurant or a factory your activities effect the lives of others and you have a responsibility to use them correctly because incorrect use can hurt or kill those around you. Responsibility for such things goes hand in hand with accountability and oversight to make sure that said restrictions are followed. That police failed to act on reports of menacing behaviour by the Christchurch shooter is an operational discretion of the highest order. And unfortunately as a result the whole thing is going to be taken away and for good reason. I hope you can see that reason too.

          1. I do see the need to control centrefire semi automatic weapons better also Sam. I would do it differently though, sadly, important bridges in our community are being burned.
            I’m not a semi auto owner but I understand there are genuine reasons for people owning them. Look at Bens situation on this blog.

            Our system has worked well for kiwis for many years and it’s not them (us) that has failed now. It’s horrible seeing the police and government scapegoating the Christchurch tragedy, they are playing the shooters game for him.
            This government was in the process of further weakening firearms license vetting procedures.
            But civilians it civilians that will continue to pay the price for their failure, now in loss of freedom, and the blinkered woke will cheer them for it.

          2. @keepcalm

            Yeah, we are a juvenile nation. Shocker.

            This much of the problem that the “the ends justify the means” as a philosophy is people who do so tend to handwave the means as just not mattering – they aren’t really trying to justify the means, just to convince people to ignore them. It tends to turn into “any ends justify any means”.

            It’s also and I would argue more important that there is no better solution that we are ignoring because it’s inconvenient or embarrassing or some such. But this is where I would argue that it’s a bit more important that there’s good reason to think that “the means” will work.

  3. You also sing the praises of our democratic law making as a hedge against totalitarianism but ignore the fact the first round of gun laws was rushed through undemocratically with minimal opportunity for consultation. Why, if you want best law?
    Because it was a cynical opportunity for the police association and certain politicians.

  4. well brother you certainly do a good job modelling that woolly ruminant contemplation of fences. We’ll call you Brother Sheep.

    lovingly of course. lamb shanks tonite

  5. Kia ora Bruce
    You may be aware that the Chief Censor’s ban on “The Great Replacement” was unlawful, and you will also be aware that the political establishment has responded to his actions with nothing more than a nod and a wink. Does that not make you wonder whether rule of law and democratic process can co-exist with the kind of wholesale political censorship which the New Zealand government is striving to impose in the wake of the Al Noor massacre?

  6. “In my view little Mucaad’s right to life (indeed the right to life of ANY person ) far exceeds the “right” of anyone to own semi-automatic weapons or use the internet to incite hatred and broadcast acts of murder and atrocity”

    You hare so on tge button with that , Bryan

    At last, a voice of balanced reason

  7. The ban on semi-automatic weapons may be justified but it will not prevent mass murder.
    The problem of political violence demands political examination and ultimately political solutions, which, for its own reasons, the political establishment in New Zealand is resolutely and unanimously determined to resist.
    Political censorship (in the Prime Minister’s words, designed to prevent political “radicalisation”) will not work and in the long run it will only aggravate the problem.
    Neither will armed police on every street corner, shopping mall, masjid and church do anything to avert mass murder.
    In the aftermath of the massacre I met an Afghan war veteran in police uniform carrying a semi-automatic rifle standing guard in the travel and history section of the local public library. He knew as well as I did that his presence there could have no practical effect. He was “just doing a job” that made no practical sense.
    If you rule out political solutions, the second best way to deter or suppress political violence is community self-defence. No such measures were in place at Al Noor and Linwood masjids because the Muslim leaders had decided that their physical safety could be guaranteed by a policy of close collaboration with the New Zealand Police and, more particularly, the NZSIS. That was a grievous mistake.
    An organised group of a score or so unarmed people working at close quarters can pull down a lone attacker, even one armed with an automatic weapon. In that way twenty or thirty lives could have been saved at Al Noor.
    In fact, if the Muslims had been sensibly prepared to respond to such an attack it most likely would not have taken place. Tarrant had intelligence on the unpreparedness of the masjids which gave him the confidence to launch a solo attack. In any other circumstances he would have needed a team of at least three shooters to achieve his object with some degree of safety, or to have employed explosives rather than firearms.
    It follows that even with the ban on automatic weapons, attacks ending with mass casualties are still possible. The bar is set just a little bit higher, and that is about as good as it will get for a country that is resolutely determined not to address the political issues, and communities that for whatever reason fail to provide for their own self-protection.

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