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  1. Deterrence is a scam to keep the public on both sides of the Super power divide on-side while their government’s prepare for war. The purpose of the ‘deterrence’ scam is to discourage people reaching across borders to join in opposing their respective government’s preparations for war.

  2. “….a hard reality is that the international rules-based order that protects the freedoms and sovereignty of smaller nations; is built upon military deterrence.”

    There’s that word again. ‘Deterrence’ and the so called ‘rules-based order’ didn’t stop the US invading ‘smaller nations’ Iraq and Afghanistan, and half a dozen other small nations in recent history.

    War is an imperative of expanding economies that have reached the limit of their expansion and can’t expand any other way.

    Deterrence didn’t stop Russia invading Ukraine.
    Deterrence didn’t stop Russian and Western proxies warring in Sudan.
    Deterrence didn’t stop Western and Iranian proxies warring in Eritrea.
    Deterrence didn’t stop Russian Iranian and Western proxies warring in Syria.

    The same imperialist tensions and competition that led to WWI and WWII are building up again.
    Deterrence doesn’t work. Deterrence has never worked. Deterrence will never work.
    Deterrence has failed and is failing now.
    All the small current brushfires between the rival imperialist blocs will only need one more spark to turn into open global conflict.

    WWIII has already started we just haven’t noticed.

    All the pro-war propagandists who tell us they are building up their militaries to deter their rivals are lying. They are building up their militaries to destroy their rivals.

    You lie and deceive
    A world war can be won
    You want me to believe

    1. I’m not a propogandist, you sophist.

      Dettereance kept the Swiss out of trouble.

      1. “Dettereance kept the Swiss out of trouble.” Sam

        It wasn’t deterrence that kept the Swiss out of trouble, it was their policy of neutrality that kept the Swiss out of trouble.

        How on Earth did you get it so wrong?

        Swiss neutrality

        From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_neutrality

        Swiss neutrality is one of the main principles of Switzerland’s foreign policy which dictates that Switzerland is not to be involved in armed or political conflicts between other states.[1] This policy is self-imposed and designed to ensure external security and promote peace.[2]

        ….According to Swiss president Ignazio Cassis in 2022 during a World Economic Forum speech, the laws of neutrality for Switzerland are based on The Hague agreement principles which include “no participation in wars; international cooperation but no membership in any military alliance; no provision of troops or weapons to warring parties and no granting of transition rights.”[8]

  3. Where do you start with this steaming pile of a column?

    –Australia has long either ignored or lorded it over its Pacific neighbours, and used several of them as squalid detainment camps for refugees, migrants, prisoners and activists.
    –PNG is pretty close to a failed state, so the yanks are obviously only the least bit interested in it for Military/Strategic reasons.
    –The US could always start with helping sort out the long running hideous situation in West Papua…dreams are free…but of course they won’t, anymore that they sort out injustice anywhere unless there is a pay day for them.
    –Pacific nations know exactly US Imperialism’s record going back to WWII, Nuclear testing and waste dumping, reconstruction and reparation not done, environmental degradation of various kinds, imported crap food, influencing political outcomes and treaties, racist treatment of locals where they have military facilities.

    The last thing the ordinary people of Polynesia, Melanesia, Micronesia–and New Zealand–need is more American military involvement. Stick your PDIs, Quads and Aukuses.

  4. This is all predicated on the idea that China is the enemy.
    Who says China is the enemy and why?
    What is this rules based order, and who sets the rules?

    1. It’s a great term isn’t it – ‘rules based order’. When you hear it you think – ‘well of course we need rules and we need order’.

      It’s bullshit – the US makes the rules and the US gives the orders.

    2. I for one am happy to openly say that if we are to have an enemy in the near future that it is much more likely to be China than the US for a start – agreed that US history is replete with instances of self-interest through to regime change but this is often tempered by a genuine altruism shown by many Americans (rules of engagement / repair of destroyed bridges / evacuation of translators etc) and a distinct lack of concentration camps and forced live organ harvesting.

      I suspect that if / when we see China invading another country (again) there will be no such tempering and rather simply a barbaric and in-human Rape of Nanking in reverse.

      1. Really? I’m thinking of Madeline Albrights famous public admission that the deaths of half a million Iraqi children were ‘worth it’. Very benevolent, maybe the Chinese can do better.

        1. An additional contrast between the US and China can be found in how they handle domestic political ‘revolts’ – The US showed considerable restraint during the January 6 storming of the Capitol in an effort to avoid civilian deaths whereas during the Tiananmen Square Massacre in ’89 the PLA literally ran over protests in armoured fighting vehicles.
          If that is how China treat their own imagine how they would treat foreign civilians in any future conflict.

          1. Seriously, James – “‘literally’ (do you understand that word?) ran over protests in armoured fighting vehicles.”

            Come on James – I want proof of the squished bodies, or I am calling you out as a lying propagandist.

          2. “whereas during the Tiananmen Square Massacre in ’89 the PLA literally ran over protests in armoured fighting vehicles.”

          3. https://www.amnesty.org.uk/china-1989-tiananmen-square-protests-demonstration-massacre

            Yes I was not personally there and yes I understand that you can’t trust anything you read online even if it is from a reputed and award winning newspaper with a reputation for journalistic excellence and Mad Barry down the road who lives in his Mum’s basement reckons nothing happened at Tiananmen Square because he also read something online but this time from a ‘totally legit non-Western’ source . .

      2. lol – lets have a popular revolution to test our US friendship out shall we. lets say FU to Wall street and go on a progressive crusade to protect our own interests shall we. whitlam cough kirk cough muldoon cough

        You confuse Americans with the US Federal Govt. if it wasn’t a federalized republic with powerful state autonomy, they’d be in Gilead or eating soylent green by now with firemen running around burning books at 451 Fahrenheit. The Christians are trying their damnedest to take them back to the 50’s and so are the corporatist fascists.

      3. Some solid points there James but good luck getting through to the rabid ‘everything about the west is the devil incarnate’ crowd who would rather send their daughters to Kabul for their schooling than on a family trip to Disneyland.

  5. Deterring deterrence

    If people lose faith in the deterrence bullshit, it will be the end of imperialist wars…

    The Vietnam war was sold to the US people as a war of deterrence against communist aggression.
    In truth, just like the Japanese and French imperialists before them, the war in Vietnam was a war of US hegemonic expansion and colonial conquest.

    The US war in Vietnam ended in a defeat for the US imperialists at the hands the Vietnamese, and the American people.

    Echoes of Vietnam

    The Ukraine war was sold to the Russian people as a war of deterrence against NATO aggression.

    The war in Ukraine will end in a defeat for the Russian imperialists at the hands of the Ukraine and Russian people.

    Notorious Wagner warlord Yegeny Prigozhin, (no less), predicts that the Russian war in Ukraine war will end in defeat for Russia at the hands of the Ukrainian, and the Russian people.

    https://news.yahoo.com/wagner-boss-admits-war-not-111105428.html

    “We came aggressively, walked all over the territory of Ukraine in our boots in search of Nazis. While we were searching for Nazis, we knocked out everyone we could. We approached Kyiv… screwed up and withdrew. Then on to Kherson, we screwed up and withdrew,”

    “And somehow it’s not shaping up for us.”

    “This dichotomy can end with revolution as in 1917, when first the soldiers will rise up, and then their loved ones… There are now tens of thousands of relatives of those killed. There will probably be hundreds of thousands,”

    The job of anti war activists on both sides of the imperialist divide is to stop the build up to war. For New Zealand this will mean cutting all our military ties with the US and becoming a United Nations recognised neutral country.

    Deterring deterrence;

    https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14864918

    https://www.democracynow.org/2023/2/2/headlines/filipino_activists_protest_deal_granting_greater_us_military_access_to_region

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