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  1. These people aren’t a step forward they are a step backwards and after listening to their new leader i think they are making a big mistake again by entering politics. I also think they are not politicians they are church leaders and i can see a can of worms bring opened ( on moral issues)
    that will distract from our bread and butter issues like housing, education, mental health and we don’t need this.

    1. ” distract from our bread and butter issues like housing, education, mental health and we don’t need this.” Yes, plus all health issues, and it is already distracting.

      Abortion is an issue which has always been subjected to emotive sensationalism and downright lies by those determined to force others to think the way they do.

      The same righteous indignation was not displayed about kids living in cars, and in fact the Nat Govt continuously denied that there was a housing crisis, while causing it. So there is a cherry-picking of issues going on here.

      Everyone is entitled to their religious beliefs, but if Tamaki and Ngaro think that they will gain traction in the electorate, then they can only have got this impression from the chatter of their own in-groups; generally speaking they are seen as a joke and at times quite obnoxious.

  2. Yeah calls for social justice … prepare the way for the return of the old authoritarians.

    If they did, would not calls for economic justice also prepare the way for the return of the neo-liberal regime?

    Those asking for activists to be silent, merely pave the way for perpetuation of the status quo – which is a comfort for those of existing privilege. Conservative older wealthy white baptised men.

    And fearful of both cultural Marxist liberal secular regime and social(ist) state provision system democracy.

  3. Kia ora Ben
    I see that you are “Particularly interested in moral and constitutional issues and encouraging a more reasoned civic discourse.”
    Yet you gloss over the six hundred year history of the Protestant reformation with the suggestion that it was a historical aberration, and the merely opportunistic action of a group of kill-joy iconoclasts.
    Your observation that “Puritans rise in times of stress and tension” is true to a point, but it is a demonstrably inadequate explanation of both modern and historical puritanism.
    The fact is that puritanism is a popular response to societies in a state of moral decline. It is most often, though not necessarily, associated with revolutionary movements such as the “Great Rebellion” in England, republican revolts in central and norther Europe, communist revolutions in China and Cuba, and present day resistance to imperialism in the Muslim world.
    You may object at length to the popular puritanical reaction to the excesses of imperialism and neo-liberal capitalism, but I suggest that history will ignore your protestations.
    Liberal merry-making, founded on alcohol, drugs, gambling, fornication, ostentation and conspicuous consumption, is paid for with the blood, sweat and tears of the poor and it will end badly. Although I am moderate by inclination and temperament, I myself will be taking the side of the puritans in the battle against neo-liberal capitalism.
    I should just add that although both Alfred Ngaro and Brian Tamaki are making a pitch to the conservative religious voter, neither could be properly classified as “puritan”. When you are confronted by a genuinely puritanical political movement in this country you will have a real fight on your hands.

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