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  1. I don’t think we can separate housing from the wider malaise in the economy. The economy seems to be too weak to sustain the previous high living standard — incomes are too low, and as a result investors are not interested.

    There needs to be mass development which combines many new skyscrapers in the downtown areas, large new estates on the city limits, and slum clearance in the inner suburbs.

    The government may need to use compulsory land acquisition, and exemptions to local planning ordinances, to get the ball rolling.

    Local developers and builders simply do not seem to be up to the job, so the government may need to approach large foreign developers. Certainly the Chinese and Arabs are good at building very quickly — whole cities at a time!

    The point on architecture and heritage protection is a good one. Local architecture is poor, and spectacularly ugly. It suggests that a campaign to provide traditional training, and promote new designs in classical and federal styles, is needed.

    1. Mass development organised and controlled by the State – absolutely.
      Chinese and Arabs no way.

  2. A lot of people don’t realise that most Greens when they think of shelter are considering nesting boxes for little blue penguins – and they do need care. But the thought that human beings have levels of vulnerability that requires understanding, tolerance and concern not judgment, is not universal.

  3. Stephen – We do need more housing closer to areas of work, school, hospitals and play. There is no point having suburbs and cities full of character housing in areas adjacent to city. However once a suburb is identified for protection, the rest should be opened up to intensification.

    Lets protect Thorndon where intensification is not appropriate due to the fault line. However why protect Mt Cook, Newtown, Hataitai. They should be opened up to mix of residential and business apartments to 6 stories high. Wellington city is wasting space by not building anything less than 6 storey in the city. We do not need build vertical ghettos, but build decent size apartments in green buildings. We just need to open our eyes to possibilities.

    1. But Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Brisbane all have inner suburbs consisting of character housing — with no problems.

      Wellington needs many high skyscrapers in the downtown area. At present it has too many small buildings, and the high rises are not large enough.

      The difficulty is there are too many hills, and the downtown area is really too small. Additional high rise developments (far higher than 6 stories) will end up being in Lower Hutt and Porirua, and the new housing estates are inevitably going to be in Kapiti etc.

      And so we are back to the problem of the dilapidated transportation system!

  4. Without a lead state development agency, it is, indeed, just about impossible to build very much in the ex-industrial brownfields that are found close to most of Auckland’s railway lines for example. Random infill in heritages suburbs is easier to deliver in the market but is a much worse approach to intensification. Yet all this is Town Planning 101. I’m genuinely surprised that the Greens don’t have more urbanists and town planners in their ranks to point this out.

  5. Housing becomes affordable when there is ample amounts of it available to buy or rent (limited by the actual costs of building it in the first place).

    NZ’s housing is expensive because its supply is restricted by local councillors and NIMBYs.

    Genuine advocates of affordable (or even better, cheap) housing must oppose the supply restrictions imposed in the name of character or ‘historic’ aesthetic considerations

    1. No authenticated users and a selective moderation policy which sometimes lets things through.

  6. Totally agree Stephen, I attended a meeting at St Matthews in the City last year about the intensification of Auckland, all the usual suspects turned up (Bishop,Seymour, Swarbrick, + council local board reps & council hopefuls…..nobody fronted for Labour!)
    The final speaker was the old campaigner Mike Lee, he succinctly pointed out to all the assembled
    that they were playing into the hands of the self appointed properly council cabal, affordable housing would be a pipe dream with them calling the shots, nimbyism was the catch cry & how they would achieve it & the people in the inner suburbs would just have to suck it up.
    So much for local input, the press report in Stuff was way off mark, when I read it I thought I must have been at a different meeting,so much for local democracy!

  7. Greens too busy cancelling everyone to do their own job – they are making homelessness worse with their ideological, stupid policy, and making many more people homeless, unsafe and growing up in hotels!

    Auckland pensioners in the cold as Kāinga Ora halts Healthy Homes heating work
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300351338/auckland-pensioners-in-the-cold-as-kinga-ora-halts-healthy-homes-heating-work

    New houses flooded and well known risks ignored by the stupid and greedy!

    Flood-prone Plimmerton among Porirua suburbs mooted for proposed high density residential zone
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/porirua/124821416/floodprone-plimmerton-among-porirua-suburbs-mooted-for-proposed-high-density-residential-zone

    Scum bags taking up the kainga ora houses and then only getting 4.5 years for violent crime!

    Man stabbed woman 23 times after she refused to give him cigarette
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/131159250/man-stabbed-woman-23-times-after-she-refused-to-give-him-cigarette

    Greens seem to gravitate to help the worst high needs criminal scum while blaming the middle class workers for all the problems! Work harder NZ, some shit head needs that Kainga ora house and counselling, while their victims probably earn too much to qualify for anything!

  8. Ada

    You understand almost nothing about the economics driving the housing market, or the real forces constraining supply, let alone the dearth of anything remotely affordable that will result from simple-mindedly rubber-stamping a lassez-faire developers manifesto, to build anything, anywhere in the inner-residential suburbs.

    Furthermore, the greenest building is one already built, that can also be readily rennovated, where required.

    Clear-felling the mere 6% of resilient timber-built character housing which remains in Wellington, while consigning the demolition waste to landfill, AND replacing it with concrete, glass and steel, is little more than a recipe for massively increasing carbon emmisissions. How very ‘Green’ that isn’t!

    Inner-city residents’ associations have already identified opportunities for significantly increasing housing in at leaat two Wellington suburbs (specifically Thorndon and Newtown).

    Residents have proposed participative codesign and place-making approaches, which respect local democracy. In Newtown this extends to a fully-elaborated scheme to provide hundreds of aoartments, supported by the community, building owners and contractors.

    This real work is an inconvenient truth, which contradicts the myth of NIMBY boomers opposed to housing intensification, being used as a smokescreen for unrestrained development.

    Expecting affordable housing to emerge from laissez-faire development is magical thinking, and political pandering to the gullible.

    We have one opportunity to get this right. The Greens need to rediscover their principles, stop peddling myths, and get on board with the real work required to achieve a better city by design.

    Warm, safe, dry, healthy and resilient housing for all will not be achieved through magical thinking.

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