Farrar is a coward quisling – here’s the real reason NZ will join Australia
Calls for New Zealand to surrender its sovereignty to Australia are no longer confined to fringe commentary. They are now being openly discussed by establishment political commentators — framed as pragmatic realism in an increasingly unstable world. But beneath this argument lies a deeper truth: New Zealand’s vulnerability is not geopolitical inevitability, it is the direct result of decades of political choices that hollowed out the state’s resilience
‘Worst idea in history’: Paddy Gower vs David Farrar on NZ becoming an Australian state
The Argument for Surrender
Does New Zealand need to be “bigger to survive” in a world increasingly dominated by great powers unrestrained by the rules and norms that have characterised much of international relations since WWII?
That’s the argument made by political commentator David Farrar, who said in an opinion piece on The Post that Aotearoa should trade its sovereignty for greater security by becoming an Australian state – or even a colony.
“I am very serious,” Farrar said of his proposal during a debate with Stuff’s Paddy Gower on ThreeNews on Thursday. “It’s not that I think it’s desirable, but it’s now necessary.”
Farrar told ThreeNews “the world has changed,” shifting from decades of a “rules-based order” to one where “might is right,” and where more powerful countries can assert their will over others by force.
Stuff
Why This Is a Coward’s Logic
Farrar is a coward quisling. Anyone who would willingly bow the knee to Australia should never be allowed near NZ politics again.
He claims such a move would allow us to be colony for Australia when the truth is we never stopped being a colony!
New Zealand’s Hollowed-Out Sovereignty
We are barely a nation.
We are three huge sparsely populated Islands that have traded in real investment into our infrastructure, bureaucracy and economic sovereignty in favour of a neoliberal hellscape hollowed out and broken by privatisation experiment failures, addiction to a low wage exploitative economy and total capitulation to big polluters interests and speculators.
We are seeing the impact of that neoliberal hellscape hollowed out and broken by privatisation experiment failures right now in Wellington…
…remember Three Waters would have stopped that but the easily manipulated NuZilinders were conned by the Taxpayers’ Union stable of clients and Dark Ag only altho da Maaaaaaares is stealing da wate’r.
The consequences of deliberate misinformation.
Trump, the Rules-Based Order, and What Actually Needs Fixing
In terms of Farrar’s point about Trump trashing the rules based order. he is correct in that. We do need to urgently review what being an Independent Nation requires in terms of increased diplomacy costs and our military.
We need far more drones and we need to increase what we spend on the military, not to attack anyone, but to defend what we have.
That debate is necessary, bowing the knee to another country is not!
Ironically we are already a colony of Australia.
The four biggest NZ banks are subsidiaries of Australian parent companies!
Half our supermarket duopoly is owned by the bloody Australians!
And there is huge Australian stakes in our insurance, financial services, and infrastructure assets.
The issue isn’t that we should become a colony of Australia, the issue is we are already a colony of Australia and we need to break those links, not concrete them in!
No Kiwi worth their soul would bow the knee to the bloody Australians – If David loves the Aussies, we are happy to fly him there. They deport 501s to us, we export barely 5ft 1s back to them!
So NZ should never bow the knee to Australia and Farrar is a disloyal coward quisling to arguing for it, HOWEVER, what he is talking about will of course come to pass.
NZ will bow the knee and become a subject of Australia, not because we choose to, not for geopolitical reasons but because of the looming Alpine Fault rupture and all that will expose…
Disaster Readiness and the Alpine Fault Reality
NZ’s disaster readiness red flagged
Kiwis are urged not to be complacent about being disaster ready as, despite what many people believe, there is no “army” of emergency responders, the national emergency management agency warns.
“There’s a widespread assumption that Civil Defence is a standing army that will come rushing out of the woodwork when the balloon goes up,” said John Price, director of the National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA). “That’s not how it works.”
In fact New Zealand has fewer than 450 full time equivalent dedicated emergency management staff across central and local government. The immediate responders on the ground in the community are firefighters, police, ambulance, volunteers, utilities contractors.
In a major emergency, their focus for days and weeks will be rescuing those in danger and restoring critical lifelines, not on “hand-delivering supplies to your neighbourhood”.
In its briefing to the incoming minister (BIM), which was released last week, the agency stressed that at current funding levels, even a moderate scale event could easily overwhelm New Zealand’s emergency management system.
That was borne out during Cyclone Gabrielle last year when many smaller communities were isolated and without contact for days.
The briefing went on to say central government agencies and civil defence groups would not have sufficient staff available to operate a response to a catastrophic event, such as a magnitude 8-plus Hikurangi subduction zone (under the sea floor) earthquake and tsunami, which modelling shows has a 25% chance of happening in the next 50 years.
In some cases, it said, there may not be the capacity to fully respond to and recover from a moderate or even small-scale event.
The Hikurangi tsunami scenario is just one of several outlined in the BIM, with an alpine fault magnitude 8 or more quake even more likely, at 75%, and an eruption at Ruapehu, Tongariro, Ngauruhoe or Whakaari White Island “almost certain”in the next 50 years.
The Post
Climate Collapse, Privatisation, and Forced Annexation
The Alpine Fault would be the largest natural disaster to impact a modern country and the ramifications of that alone could cause a total collapse of our country.
In such a calamity, I think there is a real question mark over our capacity to continue as a seperate country and you might end up with a situation whereby NZ becomes the 10th state of Australia (after Jervis Bay Territory, Territory of Christmas Island, Territory of the Cocos Keeling Islands and Norfolk Island) because the cost required from the Alpine Fault would easily overwhelm our ability to rebuild.
Look how badly our hollowed-out privatisation experiment has failed right now, you think any of those corporations currently milking NZ for contracts will be anywhere to be seen after the Alpine Fault ruptures?
We are not ready for Climate Change…
Deadly storms expose growing gap between disaster recovery and climate preparation
RNZ
…we are not ready for the Alpine Fault and we are not ready for the consequences of having little economic sovereignty and structural resilience.
These things are coming and we are simply waiting.
NZ won’t choose to become an Australian colony, we will be forced to become one because our resilience capacity will have been bleached from this country’s bones long before the Alpine Fault ruptures.
Because the Realm of New Zealand is a colonialist state it will be easily absorbed into the Commonwealth of Australia. The Australian constitution envisions such a takeover, and King Charles would remain as New Zealand’s head of state. The military forces of the two countries are already effectively merged and on foreign policy and many other areas the two states are “in lock step”.
The colonialist political class is approaching an economic, social and political crisis of its own making. It sees surrender of its fake “sovereignty” as the only way out.
But it won’t happen like that. Any attempt to sell our country to the Commonwealth of Australia will end in civil war.
He got the surfer hair right, but the team colours terribly wrong!
This is the sort of thoughtful hard-hitting power punch we need on our loosely held beliefs of nationhood etc that enable us to sing national rallying cries sarcastically or sentimentally, similar to the benison about the USA:-
1…’ O say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?….,
2 …O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation!
Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the Pow’r that has made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto, “In God is our trust.”
And the star spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!….Written by Francis Scott Key, USA lawyer..https://hymnary.org/text/o_say_can_you_see_by_the_dawns_early_lig.. |
Compare to our Thomas Bracken, 1843-1898 from Ireland, motherless at age 3 and parentless at 9, sent over to an uncle in Oz. Worked at all trades in Oz and NZAO, including …from 1875 writing, after Bathgate established the Saturday Advertiser “to foster a national spirit in New Zealand and encourage colonial literature” [which rose to a circulation of 7,000]…….
A supporter of the egalitarian policies of Governor Sir George Grey, Bracken championed sovereignty for the native Māori people, and later criticised the government for what he saw to be breaches of its obligations to the Treaty of Waitangi.[citation needed]…He had arrived in New Zealand when colonial troops were engaged in war with Te Kooti, who went into battle under his own distinctive flag.[citation needed] It had three symbols that some claim were meant to signify stars. Bracken’s national anthem asks God to “guard Pacific’s triple star”, and some historians have reasoned that refers to Te Kooti’s flag and is his oblique support for Māori.[citation needed] It has also been suggested that “Pacific’s triple star” simply means the three main islands of New Zealand – Northern, Middle and Stewart as they were referred to at that time…..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bracken
[He was Irish became strongly NZAO and went at life with zest and spirit- just what we need now.] (Noted; he was not prudent and became financially embarrassed…)
https://www.mch.govt.nz/our-work/flags-anthems-and-emblems/national-anthems/god-defend-new-zealand-aotearoa |
Hayley Westenra with Maori lyrics then English… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhCgcZ0efAA |.. Lyrics for full five verses in Maori and English. | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Defend_New_Zealand
I like the second verse: [Old adage – ‘He embraces she’.]
Men of every creed and race,
Gather here before Thy face,
Asking Thee to bless this place,
God defend our free land.
From dissension, envy, hate,
And corruption guard our state,
Make our country good and great,
God defend New Zealand…and Verse Four is good too.
4…Let our love for Thee increase,
May Thy blessings never cease,
Give us plenty, give us peace,
God defend our free land.
From dishonour and from shame,
Guard our country’s spotless name,
Crown her with immortal fame,
God defend New Zealand.
(This how we felt once, and so can we return to these values. They are worth fighting for and would give us a better social climate while we tackle the climate of war brought by addled kleptokrats? and da weather and climate extremes.)
[As to climate we can no longer laugh at the story of Chicken Little frenziedly yelling ‘The Sky is Falling’. | https://www.dltk-teach.com › fairy-tales › chicken-little › story.htm…The Story of Chicken Little: The Sky is Falling – DLTK-Teach
One morning, as Henny-Penny was plucking worms in the henyard, an acorn dropped from a tree right onto her head!….’She had no idea what had hit her’ however, and so she started shouting: “The sky is falling! The sky,,,,,,,,,!
For God’s sake, Martyn. NZ isn’t going to join the Australian federation. Why would the Aussies agree to such a thing when they’ve got us where they want us under the current arrangement, which enables them to cream off some of our talent and send back the 501’s?
If David Farrar wants to be Australien, he’s more than welcome to leave and jump the ditch and be one.
A debate between two of NZ’s more physically-miserable individuals would suggest that, if we were to be absorbed into another country, let it be one with healthier genes.
Very sobering reading, which should tell those, in denial, that they won’t be exempt from any consequences. I believe Australia will prove to be in a worse state that NZ temperature-wise and will treat NZers as they currently treat those from Tasmania, i.e. as second class citizens! We will be at the bottom of the pile! Of course they will want our country to take their people, and in droves, as they run out of safe places to live. Not nice thoughts. However it would be better than becoming part of the fast disintegrating USA. And yes, privitisation has already proved it is a ‘con job’ with the spoils going, once again, to those who don’t need them, but the thicko’s out there won’t see this! Clearly the Left needs to factor in more ‘home-made’ drones to protect our coastline and increase our military spend. We can’t dally on these objectives but must get on quickly to ensure the safety of all NZers, especially our innocent decendants.
Why doesn’t Farrar move to Australia and do us all a favour and f off.
I agree with most of what you say, except that spending money on drones is somehow going to protect us in some way.
NZ will never be independent as we will never have the ability to defend ourselves. The Swiss are independent. They are all highly trained, armed and prepared to die united for their country, as well as having bunkers 1km under the Alps.
We are lazy, ill prepared, naive, have no training apart from watching Chinese kung fu movies on youtube and beating up women and the defenceless, and have no desire to fight to save a country most real kiwis now despise.
We could spend 25% of GDP on drones and defence a couple of foreign warships could wipe out our defences with little resistance.
Just under 50% of Brits said recently they would refuse to fight for their country.
And will we have any young people left to fight in any case. Or do we put all of Winnies supporters on the front line so they can make vocal deranged calls to talkback about how there’s too many Asians on the beach before they stampede back to their cages.
Rangi That NZ First supporters stand against the awful others – Sun Tzu might well have come up with that. If we can’t beat ’em let’s confuse them to hell. Let them take the worst of the heat, most of them are already half-dead. When we finally get to hell it might be a cooler warm squishy mud-between-your-toes experience .
Why would we be a ‘colony’ of Australia. We are per capita a far less wealthy country than Australia, so if we joined Australia, our per capita income would go up significantly immediately and theirs would go down slightly given our respective population sizes.
Already huge numbers of New Zealanders avail themselves of the better opportunities afforded by Australia, and that includes not just jobs, but Medicare as well.
Australia has huge mineral wealth and natural resources and are at least sensible enough to exploit those resources, unlike New Zealandeds who moan about poverty but unwilling to exploit our natural resources
Economic union at the very least is something that should be considered. Your argument about neo liberalism in NZ is a non sequitur.
Ready, on your mark – GO!
We are not big enough to mine without significant structural damage and therefore the income generated would be a pittance. besides our greatest resource is dairy and tourism and yet we still don’t return enough profit to support those in poverty. Neo liberalism is a failed ideology which has been proven time and time again.
Our governments are so useless even Australia’s are much better.
Unless they lift their game massively, there really won’t be much choice.
So the question is, do we join before or after the Alpine Fault ruptures (which will all be Australia’s fault of course, as it’s their tectonic plate pushing up against ours)? If we ask to join after the rupture, the Aussie’s might just say to bugger off – we don’t want to use our money to fix up your country…
Personally I would wait for the rapture. It sounds like it would be a mind-shaking and possibly also an an earth-shaking experience and after it we will float ethereally away, into another sphere where we will join all the remaining Greens. In the meantime perhaps we should be boning up on how to be Druids. I’ve got the book but each time I settle to read it there is another emergency on the ground so to speak. Interesting times.