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  1. All this hot air amounts to window dressing to avoid looking at known realities. Fiddling with minor details is all they can do to confuse and avoid facing the fundamental changes that are well overdue. We have left this for nearly 40 years and now a crash is unavoidable. Our hope to soften the crash is being corrupted by the growth myth being chased still.

    Real public education has been suppressed by Business NZ lies and worthless politicians Bullshit.

    A simple read reviewing solid basic research and up to date appraisal of the future ahead and how the politics have been captured by bankers and financial speculators and investors running of Business NZ.

    Growth is toxic and terminal. Nothing to do with community good or human survival in fact growth is killing our communities and creating wide spread poverty which will get worse very dramatically.

    https://www.thesolutionsjournal.com/article/the-history-of-the-limits-to-growth/

    1. What’s called The Scientific Method, for instance when you study a course in economics you do take a course in methodology. But when you study Physics you don’t take a course in methodology. In physics there are no methods other than being reasonable, and learning from what has been done then seeing if you can carry that forward and so on. In fact the courses one takes in economics and the psychology surrounding current economic consensus are mostly course in statistics and techniques used.

      The scientific methods are away of dealing with the world rationally and reasonably.

      Can we have confidence in scientific methods?

      My answer is no. Scientific methods may mislead in the same way rats are consistently mislead about mazes. We can certainly understand how a rat may feel about being mislead, if that’s true then all we can do is use the same rational approaches to see where the limits to growth (LtG) is. And we have some examples around successive iterations of government. I think we can have confidence each iteration of government will collapse with out content.

      1. Well Sam the Scientific Method is an attempted description of a process used to identify errors in conclusions drawn about any set of observations.

        The process can and generally is applied across all the sciences but not always consistently by all scientist or commenters on scientific matters.

        Much science is inaccurately reported by media who are hardly qualified to generalise within the subject area.

        False arguments and reductionism is found amid discussion of serious works in the public arena but seldom at the cutting edge of scientific discovery..

        The ability to differentiate between serious conclusions or findings well tested with peer review, and popular but erroneous beliefs; may take some in-depth knowledge of the subject area and familiarity with past stepping stones which give foundation to new findings.

        Without The Scientific Method, what would you use to examine information and find a consistent outcome that describes observations accurately within a context of an overriding and encompassing principle.

        It is often easy to identify unqualified “scientific” opinion when there is talk of proving something.

        Scientific methods are not a way of proving anything but a way of attempting to test or disprove. if testing does not disprove a theory then the theory is said to hold. That is until further such testing changes that.

        You have mentioned LTG which has been not only peer reviewed but examined and tested for over 40 years by many teams within scientific institutions, many times. The accuracy of the data mapped forward has been found to be extremely consistent with what has taken place between 1972 and today. Projections beyond today are held as being highly significant.

        But read the report and not the unqualified comments and lies often attributed to that LTG presentation.

        Taking any one part of such a report and extrapolating conclusions can be fraught with errors as the whole work is founded on the interactional and interdependent effects of all the major areas identified and considered. The approach is inter disciplinary and now broadly described as Futures.

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