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  1. I think it’s a no brainer to go to a UBI but I think it should go to citizens not residents or else we will be bankrupted before it gets off the ground. And citizenship should be a lot harder to come by in this country and actually mean something.

    1. Save NZ raises an important point. Let’s be ambitious enough to imagine that just as we were the first country to give women the vote, we can be the first country to give all citizens a UBI. This would make moving to NZ and getting residency and then citizenship even more attractive.

      Yes, new immigrants will get jobs (they have to before being granted residency), and pay tax, increasing the funding pool from which the UBI is paid. But clearly there’s a maximum population our small, mountainous islands can support, and a maximum speed at which our built infrastructure and social welfare systems (in the broader sense of the phrase that includes public health, education etc) can be scaled up to handle new immigration.

      What is the fairest system for deciding who can come here, and in what order? How do we determine the maximum carrying capacity of our country? These are uncomfortable questions for radical leftists like myself, who would ideally like to see all border control abolished worldwide, but we must work with progressive and green nationalists to address them, or reactionary nationalists like UKIP and Trump will do it for us, in ways we probably won’t like.

      Another wiggly question about the UBI is should we still be paid it if we leave the country? We can longer receive an unemployment or sickness benefit if we leave the country for more than a few days, but AFAIK superannuitants can go wherever they want, for as long as they want, as still get paid their Super. Would our proposed UBI work like a benefit or like Super? Again, a tricky issue, but one of many that we must find good answers to if we want to make UBI a reality.

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