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  1. “He can probably be maintained quite effectively in the community”.

    No, he’s a predatory conman. He has ruined the lives and livelihoods of thousands before indulging in politics.
    Even his wholesale thefts from the banks and financial institutions foolish enough to advance credit to him has to be ultimately paid for by others. What he does has never been victimless.

    Let him rot in prison.

  2. Just take a look at the fallout from this. Trump is banned from Facebook and Twitter. Even his Email company has declined to allow his email mailouts to his supporters. People who supported Trump are being identified from photographs and fired or in one case a performer was dropped by her recording label. Is this the Orwellian future you want?
    Trumps tweet calling for the protesters to go home peacefully was taken down by twitter so he could be portrayed as supporting the break in of the capital building. Allmost all the protesters were peaceful.
    You have reduced the issue to black vs white which is shallow and exactly the same technique as pointed out by Martyn in the Israeli attack on Golriz Gharahman. Welcome to the new world of Big Tech censorship and the Thought Police
    Maybe you could be excused as you are so poorly served by our news media but why don’t you look into the real reasons Trump has so much support and why he is so violently opposed by the establisment.
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/01/03/how-an-austrian-and-british-malthusian-brainwashed-a-generation-of-americans/Welcome to the new world of Big Tech censorship and the Thought Police.

    PS. Where does that so called Professor Patman get off calling for Jacinda Adern to be more strident in her condemnation of Trump. What are his motives? He clearly is more interested in disinformation than education.

    1. Ian Kiddle: “Trump is banned from Facebook and Twitter.”

      Indeed. That’s bizarre. Whatever happened to free speech? Whatever else is wrong with the US, at least free speech rights have been jealously guarded. Until now, it seems.

      “People who supported Trump are being identified from photographs and fired or in one case a performer was dropped by her recording label. Is this the Orwellian future you want?”

      Exactly. Were such a scenario to be playing out in one those polities characterised as “enemy du jour”, the usual Western suspects would be screaming about persecution and restrictions on personal liberties.

      “Maybe you could be excused as you are so poorly served by our news media…..”

      In my view, there’s no excuse. All of the rest of us are exposed to the same msm crap, yet many of us have used the internet to cut through the relentless propaganda, and to make ourselves better-informed. There’s no reason at all why authors and commenters here cannot do the same.

      “……why don’t you look into the real reasons Trump has so much support and why he is so violently opposed by the establisment.”

      Exactly. I recommend that people read the link that you’ve posted.

      “Where does that so called Professor Patman get off calling for Jacinda Adern to be more strident in her condemnation of Trump. What are his motives?”

      Oh no, not Patman again! I remember him from my uni days. Recently he’s also been pontificating about the Hong Kong situation. In both cases, he’s displayed either ignorance, or an uncritical acceptance of msm propaganda. It doesn’t reflect well on someone who’s supposed to be an academic.

      It was at uni, contemporaneously with the rise of the internet, that I discovered the extent to which we’d been propagandised by the msm about international affairs for all of my lifetime. There’s absolutely no reason at all why Patman would still cling to propaganda.

  3. Trump may no longer be President, but whatever will be done to him, he will become a kind of martyr to the political right in the US, perhaps start his own media and propaganda forum, and thus become an even greater threat to the political establishment there, than he may have been as POTUS.

  4. You folk are all in for a rude awakening, Trump is not going anywhere. have you not learnt the lesson stop following the fake news. Do we not have any journalists “worth their weight”

    1. Jenny: “Do we not have any journalists “worth their weight””

      No. We do not. Unfortunately.

    2. Hello Jenny. I am interested in your comment. What is this ‘rude awakening’? Trump is about to leave the Presidency – what do you mean he is not going anywhere? What is the fake news and what is the lesson? Who is counting?

  5. Trump in his moments of delusion and most likely by now insanity has blood on his hands.
    He helped kill 5 human beings.
    I hope he is held accountable for ALL his actions even those times that he encouraged his mob of low-classed supporters to kill people.
    He has however demeaned both himself, his family and of course the US Republican Party. If the Republican Party wants to exist after Donald Trump then it’s time they cut ties with him. He is a loose cannon and he is dragging down his family Republicans with his ill-thought out actions and irrational behaviour.
    Trump is a coward. He encouraged the mob to attack through an act of terrorism the Capitol building. He stood watching the telly of them doing so and told them he loves them. He is like the tale of Nero fiddling whilst Rome was burning. He did nothing for a number of hours perhaps. And once it became knowledge that people were being killed only then did he tell his mob to “go home”. And like I said earlier this shows to me now Trump has blood on his hands. He could have done the adult thing and stopped this pure stupidity but no he didn’t. He let it happened and probably enjoyed and relished it very much.
    Trump will leave a legacy alright. He will be remembered as the nutter who showed how to try to ruin a democracy all for the sake of ego and arrogance and his inability to behave like an adult and admit defeat.
    He showed to the world how bad America had demeaned itself to. He showed little caring, compassion or empathy to those 300,000 plus Americans who have perished due to COVID19 as much as no caring for 5 people killed in the Capitol building last week.
    He may have compared himself to Jesus and thought himself as a perfect human specimen and ‘must be immune to COVID’.
    He showed all the tendencies and behaviour of someone completely and utterly unfit for the office of POUSA but also how a mentally disturbed individual like him could become a leader of a country whilst at the same time viewing the role as something out of a reality tv show.
    His hatred of anyone and everyone that either black, coloured, had a handicap and wasn’t a fan of the Donald Trump Ltd was subjected to humiliation and absolutely disgusting treatment even on Twitter.
    What will the end of Donald Trump as POUSA mean for the world? Well we can only wait and see. He is a vindictive person and most likely he will ensure his mob will cause problems at the inauguration. He will tell his mob to fight. Will praise them but in attempt to appear the Great American Hero he will later condemn their actions.
    The madman that is Donald Trump is someone that American MUST NEVER EVER have as president again. He has bought America to its knees.

  6. US echo chamber media keeps insisting Trump leads a racist movement , without offering evidence . They cannot explain however the irony that Trump scored the highest % ever for black and latino votes for a Republican Presidential candidate .
    Black vote increased from 8% to 14% , latino from 27% to 35% .

    1. Trump’s a cult leader and his ‘flock’ believe every lie he utters. Classic propagandist in the mould of Goebbels and the fictional Big Brother.
      Goebbels:
      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
      Big Brother’s “War is Peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength” certainly
      links with Trump ‘shining a bright light up the anus and drinking bleach to kill Covid’ and ‘the election was rigged’ pandering to the deplorable ignoratii maskless (sic.) QANON and conspiracy theorists. It’s the same tripe that aluminium foil wearing Bill Te K acolytes believed in Aotearoa.

      The mindless rabid lemmings marching on Capitol Hill, egged on by their brave cult leader POTASS Trump, who said ‘We’re gonna march up Pennsylvania Avenue, I ‘ll be with you!” reminded me of the Blackadder Goes Forth. Blackadder and his men are being sent over the top and General Melchett says “I’ll be right behind you,” and Blackadder mutters, “Yes – about 35 miles behind”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaPeFLO_KX0

      Trump’s just visited the Alamo, a last stand battle for Texans. Will all state capitals and Capitol Hill again, be Trump supporters’ last stand?

      He’s a dangerous dictator, pandering to the worst elements of society with his cultish lies. He needs to be dragged from the WH and imprisoned, pending charges of sedition and inciting insurrection. Now….. today!

      1. And the 14th Amendment should be used to rid all the other Republicans who supported and fomented insurrection, told the Emperor Trump his bum didn’t look too big in his resplendent Confederate-esque uniform.

        It would be difficult for these Republican enablers to have any sort of perspective with regard to Trump’s naked narcissism, because he insists on total labia-butt-attachment fealty and kissing his ring.

        Hard to gain perspective on Trump’s lies about the election and his use of herd immunity to solve on the Covid crisis, with the minions bowing so low to their cult leading loser, Donald J Chump

  7. Careful Fanfare, because tonight 14/1/21 on One Network News, I saw Trump flags at the Beehive and “Covid is a Hoax” banners, so the rabid right and fascists in the making, are alive and well in New Zealand. It would be interesting to hear from our GCSB here in NZ, whether Kiwis are safe from these types who believe the QAnon bs. Is the fact that David Seymour’s ACT Party has grabbed the extreme conservatives and the disaffected right last election the new Republican Party in New Zealand.

    Time to beef up security at the Beehive immediately, especially given the fact that a nutjob put an axe through 5 windows there.

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