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  1. “No matter what happens, the sight of a Prime Minister deliberately using violent and incendiary language to whip up a storm to achieve his anti-democratic goals is a very scary one.”
    The language under condemnation here seems to be most often exemplified by calling the Benn bill the “surrender bill”. Which of course it is.
    I think Liz’s language describing it wins hands down .
    There won’t be any civil war in the UK unless the result of the Brexit referendum is thwarted. There won’t be one then either but the death threats you will notice are all being made to politicians that are trying to prevent the result of the Brexit referendum being implemented . Indefensible in themselves but they show what is angering the electorate.
    D J S

    1. David Stone: “The language under condemnation here seems to be most often exemplified by calling the Benn bill the “surrender bill”. Which of course it is.”

      Exactly. It’s an utterly extraordinary spectacle, watching the UK parliament pull a stunt like this.

      “….the death threats you will notice are all being made to politicians that are trying to prevent the result of the Brexit referendum being implemented . Indefensible in themselves but they show what is angering the electorate.”

      Indeed. Scarcely surprising under the circumstances; the citizens pushed almost beyond endurance by the anti-democratic actions of the remainer MPs. So much for the will of the people.

  2. Jay 11 is right. I’ve always thought that the main reason why we are so apathetic is that Britain (and then NZ) never had a Revolution. UK had a Civil War but that’s not the same as a Revolution. It may have been civil but not revolting. That’s because the conflict was between the aristocracy (and the monarchy uberalles) on one side and the politarians on the other. Revolution needs to originate with the workers,who may have taken sides in the Civil War but had little at stake in it.
    Its not as though they had no chances but it seems we lack the stomach for chopping off heads, something that the aristocracy have happily done to the working class. All the rallies and marches from the the Peasants Revolt to the Peterloo massacre ended in disaster. Oh! for a bloody good revolution.

  3. Dave, you are spot on.

    Liz, step back from your partisan viewpoint and consider what is undemocratic; stifling a majority decision to leave? Stifling the opportunity to put the decision to an election? Using the courts to over rule parliamentary executive powers because your side doesn’t have any democratic way forward?

    It’s all so reminiscent of the liberal Lefts war on Trump. Standards lowered, lies told, misinformation against their “evil” foe. This rush to unprincipled action is rather akin to Tolkeins ring of power.
    To me the liberal left looks very like Saruman. They crave power far more than principle.

    1. Nick J: “It’s all so reminiscent of the liberal Lefts war on Trump. Standards lowered, lies told, misinformation against their “evil” foe. This rush to unprincipled action is rather akin to Tolkeins ring of power.
      To me the liberal left looks very like Saruman. They crave power far more than principle.”

      Nicely put. Yeah, it looks that way to me, too. The liberal left hasn’t exactly covered itself in glory over ithis situation.

  4. Civil wars are typically a middle class phenomenon. They were in 1789. Its only when then middle feels sufficiently unhappy that they rise up. Lets keep in mind too the Ancien Regime lasted from the middle ages so these types of events are not that common. In England the whole thing was reversed with the return of Charles II.

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