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  1. Although I agree that it is wrong and likely counterproductive to lock people up for any reason but to keep the rest of society safe, the statistics quoted contradict the argument attributed to them here. If a high ranking in peacefulness coincides with a high ranking in incarceration as shown the evidence in that is that the high imprisonment rate benefits the peacefulness of the society.
    Certainly though it is clear that Rogernomics that threw a slice of our working population onto the scrap heap was what caused the problem.
    D J S

  2. Thanks Liz. STOP STOP STOP locking up people. Get the rivers cleaned. Make people feel they are doing something for society. Learning to be a crim in prison is so nuts. Recruitments to the gang happens in prison. What happened to the trip that that bloke from the sensible sentencing trust went to with officials from our prison service, he went to one of the Nordic prisons then to the horrific Texas? prison where people were living in tents and he personally opted for the Texan model. What actually was the point of all of this given we don’t seem to have learnt anything from the experience. All prisons get drug & alcohol counselling, they learn a trade…..

    “Prisons in Sweden, Norway and Finland have a smaller average inmate population, bigger cells and broader access to social services than jails in English-speaking countries, a 10-year study has found”.

    “In the Nordic countries, the punishment is deprivation of liberty and you don’t need to impose extra punishment. That was not the case with the Anglophone countries,” said Dr Anna Eriksson, Senior Lecturer in Criminology at Monash University, who co-authored the book with Professor John Pratt from the Victoria School of Wellington.
    https://theconversation.com/nordic-prisons-less-crowded-less-punitive-better-staffed-12885

    One of the biggest problems is that we live in a punitive society if you do something wrong you must be PUNISHED PUNISHED PUNISHED. No compassion no recognition of the appalling background – not of their own making – of the many in prison, no real help with mental health and addiction issues.

    I think there are some great programmes but they are too small, some prisoners in Otautahi learning how to farm, things like this where there might be jobs available when you are released.

    Help with integrating back into the family on release, learning te reo, learning your whakapapa, having a real job, having support around you, ongoing counselling if needed.

    Perhaps 150 – 200 people need to be in prison for the good of themselves and society, rapists, murderers, paedophiles. Don’t these people anyway have serious mental health problems if they believe these things are okay/normal to do.

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