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  1. Bang on in every respect.
    And we should not get all smug and superior about the motivation for immigrants reasons for wanting to come here.

    They’ve seen primitive immigration policies that have encouraged it along with the nasty side of exploitation and people trafficking. Unfortunately some of the people responsible for the policies are still circulating while building up their gorgeous C.Vs

    The motivation is no different from Kiwis trotting off elsewhere for many of the same reasons (e.g. for a better earn, or relationships or generally for simply aspiring to a better life for self and family).
    Thankfully NZ is now much less attractive, the Labour Inspectorate has finally STARTED to get off its chuff, and UTU and unions are doing good work.

  2. Almost all dairys and supermarkets sell cigarettes, yet I’m not suddenly starting smoking. Must be something called self control and personal responsibility. I’m sure the same applies to alcohol retailers.

    1. Christ no Mike…self control and self responsibility are now “right wing”…it’s far better to just become a victim, blame some one else and then get a handout.

        1. That’s ageist hate speech, I will make a formal complaint to the Police once Labours anti-free speech legislation is law.

    2. Michael Campbell “ Must be something called self -control and personal responsibility.” It might be something called addiction. Not everyone lives charmed lives, Michael. In the case of liquor stores created to create booze barons, it is government sanctioned exploitation and government encouraged addiction.

    3. When self-control and personal responsibility apply to the alcohol sellers then I will be prepared to listen to your argument. There is an abundance of evidence that the alcohol industry has profit as its main concern which suits the owners but has had very detrimental effects in the communities they operate.

  3. Thanks for highlighting this Liz, it’s very socially destructive. I didn’t realise the mechanisms involved. The Indians also target the pre-school market and the elder-care market as money spinners, but I don’t know what stats are available.

    It is very different from NZ’ers going off- shore to further their careers or to embark on specialist training when it is a naked New Zealand residency grab, and with the liquor stores, the barbaric exploitation of vulnerable groups of low-income people by unskilled shysters enriching themselves at the expense of the poor.
    It may be the time-honoured neo-lib way to make money, but is unsustainable and amoral.

    Needless to say, every law infringer should be sent back to where they came from, but this is still band-aid politics and no way to build a decent constructive and nourishing society.

  4. “Much of it is down to models of immigration over the past fifteen years”.

    Yes, I would agree with that.

    After immigration changes in the mid-80s NZ /AO saw increasing numbers of migrants (to be distinguished from refugees coming under the UNHCR resettlement programme), many with English language and literacy needs. The reason for this open, points-based immigration policy was to attract human capital but I also read somewhere that it was thought NZs superannuation scheme would not be effective without increased population growth gained from immigration. It quickly become apparent that this kind of mass immigration was not working. Although migration from the UK continued and many came from South Africa, in the public imagination it was seen as the Asian invasion. NZ cities – Auckland in particular – were not ready for this influx (or indeed consulted) – while provincial NZ looked on. It’s a misconception that in the early days PRC migrants were ‘rich’ – they weren’t but they were in the main qualified and highly skilled. Language difficulties, discriminatory employment practices and concerns over social cohesion were cited as proof the immigration experiment wasn’t working.

    What happened? Well, the models changed. More emphasis was put on English language proficiency in the application process. This attracted applications from the Indian subcontinent where English education in schools is a legacy of British colonial rule (although Liz’s anecdote would seem to contradict this!). Meanwhile export education became an even bigger earner and international students were targeted by universities and private institutions alike. It was made easier for international students, supposedly with the right qualifications, to transition to work-to-residence status and eventually PR. But NZQA couldn’t keep up with quality control and it all went pear-shaped. Meanwhile immigration was captured by business interests, especially after the establishment of MBIE under the Natz. Much of what we have now was entrenched under the Fifth National Government 2008 to 2017.

    Where to next? Has Labour got the political will to put things right? Probably not. The neoliberal model will be hard to get rid of. Imported ‘skills’ has simply become a proxy for profit. And here there are too many interested players. Big players with deep pockets. But there are surely places where central govt in conjunction with local govt can step up. Liquor licensing is one. Thankyou for bringing this into focus Liz.

    1. Absolutely. And as you say – the capture of The Ministry for Everything by business interests. Not sur[prising really when the whole culture of the organisation is set up to promote business growth (sustained rather than sustainable) carrying on from the old Economic development.
      Not only does it therefore treat people as merely economic units to be exploited in some way but its the reason money rulez the way. A Thiel or the like is welcomed while someone with skills in sustainable development in things like horticulture, or preservation of things like wildlife and potable water systems is treated like shit – often simply because their parents were conned by the lies and false promises of charlatans and the NZ government.
      Primitive, simplistic policies with more unintended consequences than not, and often simply based on what is perceived to be happening elsewhere.
      When you combine all that with one of the most unproductive Munsters, captured by his officials (probably because he just finds them ‘nice’ people) – we get what we’ve got.

      And yes – “Talk to our comms people” NZQA couldn’t keep up with quality control – but then why would that worry MBIE when there’s money to be earned for NZ Inc. through International Student fees and as much churn as possible

  5. The research is clear that over 70% of NZers do not want a proliferation of liquor stores. They make alcohol more available and cheaper and cause more harm. The research also shows that liquor store proliferation increases overall amounts of drinking. An addiction to alcohol is not about individual willpower but a serious public health issue. Alcohol and drug addictions ruin lives, destroy families, lead to crime and abuse and eventually death. Overcoming addiction is terribly hard and having temptation on every corner is unnecessary and harmful.. I thought the informed and discriminating readership of TDB knew all this?? You do, don’t you?

    1. I would suggest you can’t regulate against vice – you have to treat the demand not the supply. It doesn’t really matter despite what research suggests abut availability and pricing – you’re talking about a few percentage points difference or another kilometre down the road. For those on the edges, it would have drunk people driving and spending more of the food money. – who cares how many liquor stores, as long as there’s one, right? How about enforcing labour laws, setting up dependency clinics and providing more mental health services instead.

  6. John Discriminatory ? Not really. Oldie brought age into it, not me, and oh how he/she/ it shocked me because with age often comes wisdom rather than the generalising of the young, but then again, Oldie may be a relative term, and that I don’t know and shan’t dwell on.

    Rude ? Perhaps a little abrupt – un peu. Mondayitis. I forgot that it was Tuesday, having not yet recovered from Sunday, and the pictures of you-know-who despoiling the joys of daffodils and Wordsworth and springing. This too will pass.

  7. Well, I didn’t appreciate living in whole areas of Auckland a decade or three back where you were forbidden to buy alcohol locally, either. Verboten entirely or forced to pay exorbitant prices to some Licencing Trust monopoly with restrictive opening hours.
    May we never see that joyless scenario again, too.
    .

  8. Thanks for this Dr Gordon, you and SSJ are about the only reason I visit this site anymore (plus guest posts). Though, especially down in Southland, there is also the culture of home destilling which, if not actually unregulated, isn’t very well enforced.
    That dates back to prohibition, as does the ILT which prevents Invercargill supermarkets from selling even wine. I think Winton and Riverton are beyond its reach however.

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