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  1. “….Is it not the idea, expounded by the Russians, that Ukraine is located within the Russian Federation’s sphere of influence, and that its oft-expressed desire to join Nato constitutes a clear and present threat to Russia’s national security?”

    Nato is already closer to Russia than Ukraine. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia border Russia already. That Ukraine is to be a buffer zone between Russia and the European Union (the evil western democracies) is no argument.

    “Russian Federation’s sphere of influence” WOW how colonial is that statement! People in the Ukraine are free to chose who to be friends with. Ukraine, as a free and democratic entity is allowed to choose its friends as it’s people see fit. Be that EU, NATO, Russia or the shape-shifting extraterrestrial reptilian humanoids that invade earth from the dark side of the moon.

    It is not Russia’s entitlement to define who the Ukrainians friends may or may not be.

    That is as bad as your hypocrisy argument in regards Australia and New Zealand’s calling out the Solomon Islanders in freely choosing their friends.

    Russia “wealth” is slowly being taken over by the suitcase invasion from China and southern Muslim states. The “west” does not defend Ukraine on the basis of taking over Russia. It is defending Russia colonial expansion westwards as the Russian east is slowly lost to the Chinese.

    Worth a read;

    https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/was-china-betting-on-russian-defeat-all-along/

    “However, a Russian defeat, which still seems to be possible, especially if it comes at the end of a prolonged war of attrition, significantly weakening Russia and isolating it from the West at the same time, would put it in a position where it would hardly have any other choice but to become a junior partner in a Sino-Russian alliance, if not a mere satellite of China. “

    1. Your ignorance of Russias geopolitics is stunning. Read a chapter of “The power of geography”.

  2. So you’ll be voting for the Maori Party as a non-hypocrite, naturally.

  3. Thank you so much Martyn Bradbury for this article. NZers are being whipped into an anti-Russian frenzy without access (in NZ) to the context and reason for what is indeed a criminal preemptive invasion of Ukraine. Just as the NZ msm are blocked from reporting on the persecution of Palestinians and the cruel psychological torture of Assange by a corrupt UK judiciary at the behest of the US – we are now being fed the US manipulation of truth re Ukraine.

  4. Not the same. Considering the latest riots in the Solomon Islands the majority there don’t want China the same as the majority of people In the Ukraine don’t want Russia.

  5. This was Damien Grant’s point on “The Working Group” last night too.

    Indeed there is a double-standard thing going on here. Our interference in another country’s affairs for our own interests is similar to Russia in Ukraine. In that sense the hypocrisy is pretty blinding.

    But it is messier than this. Underneath the idea of equivalence are at least two things.

    One is equivalence of actual conduct. The Chinese are trying to bribe their way out of opposition to the not-yet-done deal. We are diplomatically tut-tutting. Telling people one’s views is ubiquitous. But we are not using force in the Solomons to prevent them doing as they will, and it isn’t conceivable we will.

    Another is an unstated position of morally equivalent values between the “west” and “east”. There’s always been a current in left politics that the west is no better than the east. This isn’t a good path to go down – it only gets us to “might is right”. There is no doubt the Americans, supposed torch bearers of our values, have messed up basically everything foreign policy wise particularly since 2001. Guantanamo, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc etc. Disgusting.

    But for all that, and for all our other failures, we need to have the confidence to say it quite simply: “our values are better”. They just are.

    I think once you do that, some of the equivalence stuff goes away. Our position and actions on the Solomons is about the best future for its people and ours.

    1. “Our values are better”. Bullshit in a word . Just look a bit closer and you will see the Americans have no values that are inviolable. Theirs is an empire of lies.

      1. Thanks, G. Obviously I agree that the Americans have their (severe) problems, as mentioned. But their problems in upholding the values I’m talking don’t invalidate the values themselves. Things like commitments to freedom of expression, sanctity of life, free and fair elections with universal suffrage by secret ballot, the rule of law and not of men, etc etc. Are these things seriously ‘bullshit’? Or does the BS lie in the fact we move towards these things but always fail in their perfect achievement? If the latter, sounds a bit utopian aye. Be interested in any further thoughts

        1. Hi Brenty. The simple answer is that America lost it’s way many years ago by subverting everything to the military/ industrial complex which had managed to wrest total control. This was even before WW2.

    2. “we need to have the confidence to simply lie and assert: “our values are better”. They just are.”

      That reads more realistically.

      1. Hi Richard

        I see where you’re coming from, but I disagree. The issue – which you frame as a ‘lie’ – is that we don’t achieve perfection in the pursuit of our stated values, with things like corruption motivated by selfishness running deep in many places, and the legacies of past wrongs lingering.

        But an expectation of perfect achievement isn’t realistic. What’s important is vigourous pursuit. I would agree that stuff like our obscene inequality brings into question whether we do or do not genuinely pursue our stated values. And that is immensely damaging, because people (you and G?) stop believing in them, rather than in the means of pursuing them. So for me I can only say it again: our values are better. They just are. This is not to say our methods of moving towards them – our economic system, identity politics and other things – are working well. Which is why we a coherent left both to reassert its belief in these values and to put an alternative programme together to get us towards them.

  6. Soft geopolitical influence, the Chinese Navy will be able to work closely with the Chinese Fishing Fleets in the Pacific ?

  7. You’ve hit the nail on the head again Chris. But, really, where does it all get us? Those that need to get this message, and so many others published on TDB, are prevented from receiving it, and so nothing changes, Until the MSM is confronted for failing in its responsibility for its duty of care to the truth, nothing will change.

  8. You should know by now @ Chris that this kind and transformational government is made up from a number of foreskins that are champions of the double standard and the unintended consequence.
    It won’t be long though before they’re going to have to check their fundamentals if only because there is a series of headwinds on the horizon that could result in a perfect storm in this political space, going forward.
    All ‘on the back of’ an electorate that’s experiencing something that’s completely different from what their elected representatives are capable of seeing (often based on advice from their sheilded ;officials)

    It could even take till ’26, tho’ hopefully not.
    God! how I wish my aspirations as a kid had tended towards being an ‘influencer’ than a jet pilot.

  9. To be consistent with the bourgeois doctrine of self-determination of nations, both Ukraine and the Solomon Islands have the democratic right to elect governments mandated to break or form ties with other nations. This was the right demanded by the rising bourgeoisies as they became the ruling classes in the transition to capitalism. However, while these rights were always held as sacrosanct in reality they were never observed. As capitalism overflowed the limits of national markets (inevitable as capital must expand or die), the stronger nations colonised the weaker nations until the world was divided between the big powers and their ‘spheres of influence’. This has led, several world depressions and wars later, to the current situation in which the US bloc and their client states (NATO, ANZUS etc) is in a zero-sum fight to the death with the Russia/China bloc and their client states (BRICs, SCO etc).

    The fate of semi-colonies (politically independent by economically oppressed) and colonies (still ruled by imperialist powers), is to be occupied, partitioned, and turned into client states of whichever great power wins the political, economic and military wars. So it has always been impossible for colonies and semi-colonies to realise their right to self-determination within the framework of global capitalism. Self-determination today, as it has been since the turn of the 20th century, is only possible as the result of socialist revolution where the working masses impose their ‘workers democracy’ by overthrowing the ruling classes, ending imperialist wars, and allowing the right of self-determination of all peoples to be realised through political and economic unions or federations of socialist states.

  10. This was all avoidable. Australia and NZ might have looked harder at the welfare of their backyards and acted accordingly. Chickens to roost comes to mind.

  11. this article made me “roll my eyes”.

    You’re talking as if Eastern Europeans are some sort of pampered minority in England & colonies.

    When in fact, some (not all, I met many wonderful kiwis) kiwis still suffer from oggs-iitis, or view Eastern Europe as some sort of geographic accident, which unfairly makes them (the nerve on them!) consider themselves equal to North-Western Europe.

  12. I don’t believe history will paint your picture. Not saying we are without blame but we’ve all seen the Chinese MO over the last few decades in places like Mozambique. Look over here – a new port – just don’t look too closely at all the fish protein being vacuumed out of your seas. Look a new railway – just don’t look too closely at all the rainforest on the wagons. Like I said – we’ve done similar in the past but now it’s just gauche, yet you’re happy to still wish it upon them in the name of freedom. Let’s see how that freedom looks in 15 years with ongoing unrest, secessionist ambitions, but now under the sights of Chinese assault rifles.
    As for the Aussies and their grandstanding – hardly Putin, although a few battlegroups in the area could stir things up.

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