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  1. Leslie Bravery is welcome to his opinion however I form mine on what I read in the various wiki’s not my father’s opinion.
    You mention “ill-gotten territorial gains”. I assume you are talking about the Six-Day war where Israel was invaded by its Arab neighbors Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. With the nations of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Algeria, and others also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces. The outcome was that the hugely larger arab force was beaten and land lost.
    I would not describe this as ill-gotten territorial gains more like cowardly loss.

    Speaking of bullying of a small country. Stuff has this article “Chinese consulate voices ‘displeasure’ at Stuff Circuit Uyghur investigation Deleted”. Seems China wants to censor our news.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/stuff-circuit/300257321/chinese-consulate-voices-displeasure-at-stuff-circuit-uyghur-investigation–deleted

    1. “The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”
      — Menachem Begin
      Six-Day War, also called June War or Third Arab-Israeli War or Naksah, brief war that took place June 5–10, 1967, and was the third of the Arab-Israeli wars. Israel’s decisive victory included the capture of the Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip, West Bank, Old City of Jerusalem, and Golan Heights; the status of these territories subsequently became a major point of contention in the Arab-Israeli conflict.
      – Encyclopedia Britannica

    2. mr smith does not seem to understand his zionist arse licking opinion does not over-rule international law….. Although bullying behavior by the usa and Israel has cowardly sought to pervert many of the international laws that were brought in after, and in response to. the mass crimes perpetrated during WWII.

      Then in a attempt to divert attention from the racism of Israel ,,,,mr smith points his finger and says look at those Big chinese chink bastards ,,, trying to bully poor wee New Zealanders

      Divert from racism with racism ,,, classy mr smith ,,,, perhaps you think its a shame we don’t have the 400 odd illegally obtained Nukes like plucky little law flouting Israel does?.,,,,Then we could tell those chinks to go get fucked ,,, and anybody else for that matter.

      Boris and the piss weak poms understand the “get fucked” power of Nukes ,,,,,,, ““Immoral & Illegal”: US & UK Move to Expand Nuclear Arsenals, Defying Global Disarmament Treaties” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV9OiU1ibPI

    1. I’m waiting for Juliet Moses to claim Shulamit Aloni is an anti-Semite now. Remember, kids: if you say anything mean about Uncle Benji and his friends, you’re a horrible Nazi.

  2. A very long winded explanation of why not like Jews having the right to self determination is not anti-semitic

    1. If I understand your, shall we say, unusual syntax, you seem to be making a category mistake but first we have to decide whether Jewishness is a race or a religion. To claim the former would contradict much scientific and Historical opinion – for full explanation see comments at: https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/03/06/sadistic-inhumanity-shameless-silence/
      Religion would not seem to qualify for self-determination – for a start, less than half the Jewish people, even in Israel, are religious. In 2007, a poll by the Israeli Democracy Institute found that 27% of Israeli Jews say that they keep the Sabbath, while 53% said they do not keep it at all.
      Then, when we consider the Palestinian people, things get decidedly confusing. According to Hebrew University Geneticist, Ariella Oppenheim, Palestinians are: “descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times”, albeit religiously first Christianized then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized.”
      This would seem to conform with common sense as we know that Palestine became majority Christian (obviously Jews and other indigenes who became followers of Christ) in the 5th century C.E., then embraced Islam which became the majority religion around the 11th.
      One might well ask: “How can it be anti-Semitic to support the right to self determination of the indigenous people of Palestine, many of whom carry the blood of former Jews?”

      1. Thanks for your clarification Brewer. Couldn’t work out what DukeEll was on about. Also must add, your research and explanations are very enlightening and much appreciated.

    1. Some simple numbers call your assertion into question:
      134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,172 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.
      1,270 Israelis and at least 10,001 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.
      11,895 Israelis and 95,299 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

      Before 1948, Palestinians owned and farmed 94% of the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.
      https://aub.edu.lb.libguides.com/c.php?g=342715&p=2477017
      Before 15 May 1948, when the so-called “War of Independence” began, around 400,000 villagers had been driven off the land they and their forbears had owned and farmed for centuries. To achieve this, Zionist forces, almost all of whom were recent immigrants, committed at least 24 massacres, a dozen or more rapes:
      “The worst cases were Saliha (70-80 killed), Deir Yassin (100-110), Lod (250), Dawayima (hundreds) and perhaps Abu Shusha (70). There is no unequivocal proof of a large-scale massacre at Tantura, but war crimes were perpetrated there. At Jaffa there was a massacre about which nothing had been known until now. The same at Arab al Muwassi, in the north. About half of the acts of massacre were part of Operation Hiram [in the north, in October 1948]: at Safsaf, Saliha, Jish, Eilaboun, Arab al Muwasi, Deir al Asad, Majdal Krum, Sasa. In Operation Hiram there was a unusually high concentration of executions of people against a wall or next to a well in an orderly fashion.

      That can’t be chance. It’s a pattern. Apparently, various officers who took part in the operation understood that the expulsion order they received permitted them to do these deeds in order to encourage the population to take to the roads. The fact is that no one was punished for these acts of murder. Ben-Gurion silenced the matter. He covered up for the officers who did the massacres.” according to Israeli Historian Benny Morris
      http://www.logosjournal.com/morris.htm

      Despite the acquisition of territory by warfare being utterly forbidden in International Law, Israel now claims to “own” about 80% of the land. Despite numerous U.N. resolutions (Israel has been targeted by at least 77 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by 1), Palestinians who attempted to return to their property were shot on sight and Israel continues to illegally acquire more land almost daily and has refused point-blank to compensate the indigenous owners.
      Nothing in any document from the Balfour Declaration down through the History of this conflict contemplates the transfer of property from Palestinians to Jews – the documents contemplate only Governance or sovereignty.

      To characterise Palestinian acts of violence, in the face of such murderous oppression, as the result of “brainwashing” by “Arab terrorists” is, quite frankly, ludicrous. Even your own head link, the piece from the Independent has this to say:
      “Mr Netanyahu says the attacks are inspired by radical Islam, but his military intelligence officers are reluctant to make such a direct link, saying instead that the motivations are a mix of personal and political factors.”
      Context Andrew. Context.

  3. If there was a logical fallacy in the text of a declaration of independance, would it do any good to quote it later on, when trying to sort out who is right or wrong in a claim of territory, or to disprove that somehow killing people in the pursuit of a “homeland” is always right?

    Is it easy to accept the idea that on both sides of a conflict there are parties not interested in peace?

    If an organisation’s view of itself leaves out important pieces of it’s own history, and the reasoning of those moments, and that those reasons were not directly intended, or directly linked to territory or killing, or to end in violent acts, how effective would it be for it’s opponents to use that source against them?

    If the ability to label someone or some people a derogatory name was maintained, a label known to most English speakers as an “evil”, would it support conflict or settle disputes?

    If the law of The World was changed so that nothing offensive could be said about one’s opponents, could any argument still be won, or dispute settled?

    Is it possible to remain in conflict, without engaging?

    If everyone in the world sided with Palestine, or Israel, what would likely happen next? Peace?

    Would it be a good idea to continue a narrative of any conflict in the World in such a way as to turn all members of both sides into mindless goons, imagining them perhaps sitting out there in the sun dribbling into their bowls while waiting for the next opportunity to kill each other? How acceptable to the average mind is that picture?

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