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  1. Chris: “Racism, sexism, classism, homophobia, transphobia and Islamophobia are to be found everywhere. Misinformation and disinformation are not restricted to social media, they constitute the daily subject matter of our national discourse”
    Yes Chris, and they are by no means restricted to one race or culture, the assumption that they are, in itself, is like putting petrol on the fire. I don’t recall efforts to ban the racist ravings of DiAngelo or Malcolm X. Perhaps I missed it.

    Brendan O’Neil:
    “Is Robin DiAngelo to blame for the Waukesha massacre? You remember that horror in Wisconsin in November last year, when a black man named Darrell Brooks ploughed his SUV into a Christmas parade, killing six white people. Brooks really hates white folk. He had written on social media about the scourge of ‘old white [people]’ and of his urge to ‘knokk dem tf out’. Is this down to Ms DiAngelo, who has pumped out books and speeches on the problem with white people? All whites have racist tendencies, she says. ‘All white people are invested in and collude with the system of racism’, apparently. The white population ‘fundamentally hates blackness’, she argues. And this is a woman who is rarely off TV. Whose book was an NYT bestseller. So, she bears some responsibility for the anti-whiteness of Mr Brooks, right?”

  2. But you’re assuming that everyone’s capable of assessing and processing information in a reasonable sort of way, and unfortunately they’re not. That’s one reason I’m peeved about Kelvin Davis labelling all Pakeha as baddies. Being Deputy Prime Minister gives his utterances clout even if they’re wrong, and this can entrench racial prejudice and cause trouble, which may in fact be the purpose. Time and again we also see misinformation printed which is later retracted or apologised for, but by then the damage is done, and the apology may go unnoticed.

    Experts and shrinks and law enforcers may need to know all this, but it’s a moot point whether everybody does. Having said that, censorship is more sinister, and it can be used to justify nefarious goings on by politicians in particular.

    1. ‘Kelvin Davis ………..’ Being Deputy Prime Minister gives his utterances clout even if they’re wrong,’!???

      1. Rodel. Yes. Politicians lie all the time, there used to be long lists of John Key’s lies published online. This is probably why so many of them quit and become estate agents, rather than paediatric surgeons, engineers, scientists or actuaries, although I daresay that having the odd brain cell or skill and knowing how to use it helps.

  3. Agree, Chris.
    This is beginning to happen one too many times… I’v just read a piece in the DomPost about the Wellington City Council CEO taking it upon herself to not release legal opinions that ratepayers have paid for, to elected councillors!
    And I’ve read on TDB, and other publications, how ‘public servants’ do not always give, or give fully, the (Labour) government the advice or information they should be … bit scary for we plebs!
    What price for a free and full flow of information,or even ‘free speech’???

  4. I am 99.99 percent in the ban nothing camp. If Nazis march down my street they will however, soon know my views on their views!

    However in the digital era and after 40 years of neo liberal hegemony we have a major problem. Post modernist philosophy, pervasive individualism, and online channels with zero editorial responsibility, and algorithms that drive people in certain directions, are way different from that dusty copy of Mein Kampf that one of my old car scene mates has kept in his lounge bookshelf for years.

    So I see the problem with white supremacy etc. not being so much with the twisted world view, but the distribution method. Euro countries after a worthy campaign by Avaaz are about to take on Zuckerberg and the rest and hit them where it hurts–in the bank account–if they keep allowing their channels to pump filth and mass manipulation.

    https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/global_disinfo_reportback_april_2022/

    NZ should follow their example.

  5. The tortured world the crazies inhabit! Try watching some of the content that comes on to home screens such as Dark. For contrast with them think Sound of Music which was about holding together seeking a new normal life away from dreaded Nazism. Not without darkness in its theme but with goodness and hope for a decent and kind future ahead. We have allowed our story-telling with images that are compelling to deteriorate and rot our society. The picture is strong in implanting a feeling if not an idea even, in our brains. But as we say, ‘Frankly I don’t give a damn’ and ‘ Play it again Sam’.

    Implanted in my brain is You’ve Got to Serve Somebody Bob Dylan – make it to some good purpose! Other than money profit.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC10VWDTzmU

  6. Chris, as a foundational principle, what you say is correct. But it is all bathed in the comforting glow of hindsight, which lends a certainty to opinions about the past which is simply not possible in terms of decisions in the present. I can now buy and read ‘Mein Kampf’ and the ideas expressed in it are commonly reviled and discredited. There will no doubt be a time when Tarrant’s ravings will be similarly widely available.

    But what is a government, that is required to preserve the safety of all its citizens, to do when there is good reason to believe that certain writings might contribute in the near term to more cases of mass murder? You too-readily minimise the seriousness of this problem and the grave responsibility associated with it. Nobody is trying to ‘incarcerate to virtue’ – that is a ridiculous hyperbole and I believe you know it.

    And your absolutism in this matter provides an intellectual framework to people who wrongly think that they are being ‘repressed’, ‘told what to think’ and having their free speech removed whenever they receive some mild blowback on their opinions. Your comments sections regularly show evidence of this.

  7. I am an FSU member as well Chris but I have to admit, I am not sure ideologically where the line is drawn. In theory, we should all be able to access anything in order to assess whether it does pose a threat and to be able to discuss it and learn from it, take action etc. But I do have a hard time deciding what exactly is hate speech and whether we should see it or not.

    As a child in Hamilton aged 11, we received a nasty anti Semitic newsletter in the mailbox. I was so shocked to see that it engendered in me, a life long desire to fight back against anti Semitism where ever I see it. Thus, I still cant make my mind up about whether in fact we should be able to see and hear everything because knowledge is power and in can make a difference in people’s lives.

    1. My mother recalled when she was 8 years old overhearing a teacher say to one of her students spit on the Maori girl. Of course that was motivated by hate. By is it a mater of the state to resolve I guess one answer is to say no and to say nothing at all or go full Stasi and nark on each other.

    2. You have answered your own question, haven’t you Fantail? I guarantee that if your parents had destroyed that newsletter and just told you that it was a nasty thing you didn’t need to see, you would not have developed that “life long desire to fight back against anti-semitism.” It’s called Know Your Enemy.
      When I was a young socialist I remember a veteran communist leader telling us every socialist should have a copy of Mein Kampf in their library. He was right, of course. (Btw, when I did study Hitler’s book, I was struck not so much by the Jew-hatred, which I was expecting, but by the virulent antipathy to the organised workers movement, especially its internationalism).

  8. Good article. Hate speech is a normal and necessary part of human life. I hate the capitalist system and anyone who takes action to try and stop me saying so.

  9. “It is still possible to sit on a bus and hear the person seated in front of you regale his companion with the long discredited myth that the Māori, upon arriving in these islands, encountered the culturally less sophisticated Moriori people, and exterminated them.”
    Chris,
    could you please enlighten me about the “myth”
    I have recently gained NZ citizenship and have a lot of catch-up on NZ history in front of me.
    I first came across the genocide of Moriori by Maori in Jared Diamond’s “Guns, Germs &Steel” In chapter 2 he describes in detail the slaughter, cannibalisms and enslaving of the Moriori until less than 5% of them remained.
    Recently I read “The forgotten Wars” by Ron Crosby, author on several books on Maori history. He describes the arrival of Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga in the Chatham Islands in December 1835, killing initially some 300 men, women and children and continue to mistreat and murder these people until in 1860 only 101 person were left.
    Currently I’m reading “Taua” by Angela Ballara, another Maori history expert who also describes the killings, albeit defending them as customary practice.
    Chris, what information do you base your “myth” assertion on, that the geocide did not take place?

    1. Yes, I wondered about that too. Whether Moriori were a completely different culture or not, perhaps Polynesians from a different group of Islands or earlier arrivals, there is no doubt that pre treaty New Zealand was marked by intertribal warfare. The warrior culture, weapons and heavily fortified pa sites certainly weren’t just a game – the prospect of entire tribes being murdered or enslaved by invaders a real prospect.

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