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  1. The poor Kiwis are getting royally fucked over by the propertied class, and non-citizens have voting rights in “our” “democracy”.

  2. taken further you get ‘dragon’
    but its too late now
    as everyone has taken the mark of the beast

    then you have all the transgenders in politriks
    perfect vessels for practising daily deception

    dishonesty is the main component of psychic drag

  3. Good to start this discussion in depth……seeing our MSM won’t do it.

    Time for those who have the time and ability and understanding to make suggestions : but they need to be fully informed first …. You would qualify!!
    After slogging through every page of AC Grayling “Democracy and Its Crisis” ( Professor of Philosophy, Master of the New College of the Humanities, London and writer of many books) looking for clues/ solutions / relevant wisdom to relate to our ” co-governance”- fast-developing situation , and considering the pros and cons of a written constitution – this is an urgent matter. We cannot allow democracy to flow down the gurgler without a challenge. New Zealand’s constitutional situation and crisis needs immediate exposure amongst all groups – not just the Iwi consulted in Matiti Mai report.
    We have got to avoid the takeover by certain powerful, academic, influential, monied groups – those who have steadfastly worked and gained influence in the universities, govt departments, schools etc ……

    We are facing the “dilema of democracy” – how to institute the people’s wishes – as of course parliament is composed of our servants, we choose them, but with the understanding that from then on we hand over the reins of decision making ………….presuming those hands are fit for purpose and can debate, and listen, and suggest, … using their education and experience to make the BEST decisions for every group in society.
    But what a lot of wisdom we require them to have, we presume they have, – in order to make decisions for ALL multi-cultural peoples and socio-economic interests – for the entire nation.
    Time to Debate!
    R Ashby

  4. The only way it seems to change Neoliberalism will be the collapse of Americas domination of the West.
    The Empire is collapsing and it looks like the petrodollar is about to disintegrate ,so the collapse will accelerate, Here’s hoping…. the sooner the better in my opinion.

    1. Nature abhors a vacuum …if neo liberal order collapses what then? There’s no substantive non authoritarian left extant. What is there to fill the void? Red Fascists of China, Black Fascists of Russia and all the Alt Right and neo Nazis of USA EU and all the little tinpot Dictators and wouldbe tyrants from Duterte to Bolsonaro to Orban etc.

  5. ” Starve the state of the funds it needs to look after its citizens properly by cutting taxes – and then by cutting them some more.”

    Many of us would rather keep our taxes and look after ourselves, thank you.

    1. Honest but not very socialist of you Andrew! ‘Looking after yourself’, eh? Does that include the socialisation of losses as well as the privitisation of profit?

    2. Well, let the war of all against all, but yay a rightist who really does want to refund police and military? Oh no, but you’ll still pay taxes for them after all you need that thin blue line of the police and the backstop of the redline military. If extremes of wealth and Poverty grow enough the masses will rise up and pull the rich, the administrators of capitalism out of their cars, out of their castles, down from their ivory towers and rivers of blood will run once more.

  6. Peter Mair’s book ‘Ruling the Void’ published around 2011 said it all, with statistical back up. You are quite right Chris. Perhaps we should have a go at Anarchy!

  7. “The decisiveness of governments elected under FPP, the power to keep their promises, was swapped out for government by coalitions, which, as everybody knows, can only ever be as honest as their most deceitful members.”
    Dead right there Mr. Trotter, but I also think we lack politicians with conviction and beliefs instead we have poll driven politicians- eg Key and Ardern.

  8. To respond to this piece I want to borrow Wittgenstein’s “hinge” metaphor – “if I want the door to turn the hinges must stay put.” Wittgenstein was talking about epistemology, not politics, but I think the idea of a hinge can be applied to democracy as well.

    With democratic politics one needs to distinguish between an argument about where the hinge should lie, and an argument about which way the door should turn. Between the late thirties and the eighties, arguments in NZ were all about which way the door should turn. The introduction of Rogernomics, with its TINA doctrine, was all about changing the hinge. Defenders of the current system now speak of “liberal democracy” as the thing being defended, and anyone who describes themselves as a “social democrat” is generally understood as describing a personal brand or intellectual preference – there is no real leverage for practical social democracy where liberal democracy forms the hinge.

    I saw an amusing tweet that pointed out how populism was being treated as a threat to democracy when the two words mean the same thing; one in Latin and the other in Greek. But what the squawk against populism amounts to is “Help! Help! Some people we don’t like want to change the hinge!”

    The best we can do under the circumstances, in my opinion, is to cling firmly to such things as due process etc., which are meant to be applicable whatever the form of democracy, and try to avoid getting over excited by window dressing presented to us as real change. It may well be that real change away from the developed TINA doctrine will begin at the local level, and with small victories that don’t initially pose a threat to the status quo.

  9. Democratically elected governments are no longer servants of the people. If they ever were. Yes, indeed, a legacy of lies and broken promises. Is it that democratic governance is a kind of ‘wicked problem’, which according to Dr Google is a problem difficult or impossible to solve because of incomplete, contradictory and changing requirements. Democratic governance as a task of complexity with multiple interests and according to the theory, no single solution.

    Notwithstanding the difficulty of the task, isn’t it more the truth that democratic governments simply serve their masters.

  10. I have thought for a while that we must develop a new form of democracy so that we can get away from the auspices of career politicians and big money. I still think there must be a way and we should aim for it as without democracy we have no hope.

    However, the more I think on it, I think the decline in democracy is just part of a wider process of decline seen everywhere. The breaking down of the social order as people no longer have the unifying beliefs of religion, tribalism, nationalism etc. Whatever you think of any of those things, if you pull out the threads of a quilt, you are left with hundreds of disparate pieces all trying to make their way without relation to anything else.

    There is a hole at the heart of society that used to be filled with a sense of belonging, a wholeness etc. Until, that hole is filled we will be in decline.

    As a kid at church, I remember the Minister saying with huge passion “Without a vision, the people perish”. It has always stuck with me. Our people and our society have no unifying vision or commitment to a vibrant shared future and no pathway for getting there.

    Without that vision both personally and in particular, at a leadership level, its last days of Rome people.

  11. Having a dictatorship would be a big step backward. Once you get someone like Putin in power, you can’t get rid of him

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