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  1. Mass public education has always been problematic. For various reasons, not least because it was set up way back to serve the needs of the capitalist system. No doubt about it, smart and disciplined individuals are needed to take the lead whatever economic system. It would be true to say though that not everyone is cut from the same cloth. Nature, nurture, whatever. Anyway, back in the day there was a place for everyone irrespective of how they did at school. That seems to be changing.

    If the data is correct, and interpretations of that data correct, the erosion of basic skills must be a concern. You gotta be able to do basic math and be literate in today’s world. The more the better if you have critical literacy and can apply those basic math skills to everyday living. But one criticism of falling skill levels is that current measurement only measures what can be counted, so that leaves a whole lot of learning that never gets recognized. That is, it never gets counted in the data. So to say kids today are falling behind is only half true. What’s probably more critical is school attendance and the relevance of the curriculum for the 21st C.

    The bigger picture is that learning is lifelong, and lifewide. Killing off funding for community education a decade ago because it was seen not to have an economic outcome was not a good move. But that’s probably another story.

  2. Our education system conti ues to languish in the dark ages. NACT fiddling will only take us back further.I have come to the conclusion that we need to completely reshape our process so that it emulates one of the most successful in the world – that of Finland. To those who are interested there is any amount of information freely available on the internet.

  3. https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2401/S00017/on-charter-schools-and-the-ghahraman-blame-machine.htm
    Gordon Campbell writing about nz charter schools and I feel we have managed to find the sludge at the bottom of the barrel. There is no reason that charter schools or the like may not be good. But ACT’s Rodney I think managed to actually wipe one that was on a good path getting scatty non-attenders to learn something and do something organised, when ACT came along and told, I think Four Avenues in Christchurch, that they should not be taking their pupils to a golf driving range as part of their sport curriculum appropriate for a school without buildings or grounds.

    1. No problem with private charter schools, it’s the use of taxpayers money to return an investment to its private owners which is the issue. Money that could have been spent upgrading public schools.

      1. Nasc You miss the point – education that aids the young or old person, to an understanding of social community and balance and mode, also teaching skills to support themselves through their life while doing useful stuff, is what is needed. People who don’t learn that and how to respect their own standing and that of other people’s, is injurious to the wellbeing of society. We see results of warped education when viewing power blocs USA and UK – the ones closest to us.

  4. What’s gone wrong is lazy/busy working parents. This is another symptom of our broken country. My mum taught me to read before I can actually remember: 2 or 3 years old. Now kids are going to school and don’t know how to tie their shoes! The generation of TV educated children…. Parents either don’t think it’s their responsability or because of house prices/cost of living, both parents are working just to keep their heads above the rising waters of the ever inflating economy because of, mainly, the property hustle that has consumed NZ.

    1. @Chris Grove Better to say it’s the system and effects of society than pointing the finger straight at parents. We are malleable us humans, and the combination of poverty, television falsity, political falsity, peer behaviour, advertising and PR propaganda; the gap between what we sort of understand is what NZ is and is about and the reality of pushing people around like pieces on a draught board, is overlooked when top of the mind annoyance gets aired. Deeper understanding along your further comments opens the door to view the accumulating difficulties.

  5. Hipkins unfortunately and no doubt very reluctantly ended up being the mediocre minister for most matters while Ardern was doing whatever Ardern was doing. However it’s nonsense to blame Hipkins for deteriorating education over decades. The Ministry of Education runs the show and perhaps scrutiny should start at 1 The Terrace and the apparent cumulative non-delivery of basics. A good result would be having experienced teachers paid more than junior ministry staff. Some unions are better than others.

    1. You’re not wrong. Friend of mine was the head of science Department in a decile three high school. His daughter worked for a government ministry in a junior capacity, and earned far more than her dad. I was gobsmacked when I found out how much she actually earned compared to him.

  6. Looking at Pakistan trying to bring democracy, I came across this – an excerpt from an Introduction in a JStor publication.
    The Army and Democracy
    AQIL SHAH
    Copyright Date: 2014
    Published by: Harvard University Press
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt6wpr4x

    INTRODUCTION
    (pp. 1-30)
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt6wpr4x.5
    The third wave of democracy that swept military authoritarian regimes out of power from Latin America to Asia in the 1970s and 1980s heralded the declining political role of the armed forces. Like militaries in the Middle East and Burma, however, Pakistan’s military bucked that trend. In fact, Pakistan has been one of the main military authoritarian exceptions to the global pattern of democratic resurgence.¹ The country experienced its latest military coup in 1999, which was followed by eight years of military government, a situation that led one prominent scholar of democracy to wonder whether Pakistan was reversing the third…

    I simple-minded, did not realise that changes in society went in waves or cycles. Why were we never taught basic facts like this as a part of our secondary education? Is there a determined attempt to keep us infantile in our beliefs, after all these great thinkers have put forward strong theses about their disciplines! Is higher education a fraud, a falsity to give the appearance that nations promote higher understanding? It leaves ordinary people with unreal visions, where they rise up in good intention, inspired by ideas, only to be slaughtered by cold, callous orthodoxy?

    What do we actually know for a fact? Quora has discussions and around this there is plenty. https://www.quora.com/Does-knowledge-of-a-fact-differ-from-knowledge-of-the-reason-for-this-same-fact

    We don’t get enough education to be able to think on these terms so we are in a vulnerable position to those with ‘higher’ education, not being able to argue at the same level as they do though knowing factual stuff ourselves. So end up shouting and throwing cowpats.

  7. Parents are going to have retake responsibility for their children’s education, if they want them to get any. The system is too broken to do what it could once be relied on to do. Kids whose learning is supported at home may get through. God help the financially stressed or underprivileged.

    And in the meantime both the rapacity of the Right, and the fratricidal bullshit of the Left, will go unchecked. Bad times coming for NZ – shit leadership, no planning, the market, or more likely Malthus left to sort it out. Won’t be pretty.

  8. Nonsense! The most important factor is not the feelings of the child! It’s the reputation of the school! And why not? There’s gold in them there hills, approximately 4.8 billion worth. It’s called the foreign fee paying student market. And if a few low decile never do wells need to be permanently (and illegally) excluded, that’s a small price to pay. If you can’t see that, then perhaps you too a in need to be bullied, humiliated, and brutalised. They’re fucking monsters and ruining far too many children’s lives. But hey, not the best ones. 10 to 1 this make it into the comments

  9. The teachers and their union are the problem. They bemoan having to take on more of societies ills but continue to promote and vote for socialist government that create these ills.

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