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  1. Sweet Jesus – who actually cares if a person identifies as a man or woman?

    It’s like we shouldn’t care if someone is gay or lactose intolerant.

    It’s none of our business and we should stay the hell out of it.

    We’ve got far more important things to work on, FFS.

    1. Ir’s a basic of being a living person on the planet FGS. Only aliens and symbionts? might not bother about it.
      Perhaps we should think about whether this applies to us right at this moment.
      There are four main types of symbiotic relationships: mutualism, commensalism, parasitism and competition. Symbiotic relationships are important because they are a major driving force of evolution. This networking and cooperation among species allows them to survive better than they would as individuals.
      Symbiotic Relationship | Definition, Types & Examples – Lesson
      Study.com https://study.com › academy › symbiotic-relationship-def.
      and
      Competition is most typically considered the interaction of individuals that vie for a common resource that is in limited supply, but more generally can be defined as the direct or indirect interaction of organisms that leads to a change in fitness when the organisms share the same resource.
      Species Interactions and Competition | Learn Science at Scitable – Nature
      Nature https://www.nature.com › scitable › knowledge › librar

      I would say that we are veering on from competition to parasitism. So much for our superior intellects and learning.

  2. Winston is fighting for survival and a cornered politician with power is a dangerous person

      1. I am not a Winston fan but I would trust his mental ability against any other politicians of both left and right

        1. I do feel sorry for you Trevor. He is the Donald Trump of NZ politics.

  3. True. I also follow that line when I advocate not dropping threshholds. This at 5% and some advocate 4%, and would that give us better politics? No. The way we run society is full of lies and exceptions to the ‘rule’ and people must be adept at seeking to remain balanced and with a steady eye on what is fair and needed. We can fall so easily. (Israel made this mistake and have brought about an intransigent situation because of that – they have 3.25%)
    …Elections in Israel are based on nationwide proportional representation. The electoral threshold is currently set at 3.25%,[1] with the number of seats a party receives in the Knesset being proportional to the number of votes it receives… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Israel
    This on Voter Education. https://eos.cartercenter.org/parts/9

  4. Who’s the wokester here the woman who wrote Harry Potter Winston peters or both. Who cares why have a small group of women put my future and my daughters future into the hands of gray stale pale males in women’s wigs. Wouldn’t these women be better off fighting legal battles for equality, prevention of violence against women, nurturing their children who may or may not be gender diverse, gay or lesbian. This Harry Potter woman and her mates do not speak for me so what gives them the right to go to court supposedly on my behalf to change a law affecting me as a woman

    1. Circular argument I think Not – better watch out when you come to the end which is dark and more confusing than your supposed reasoning. Harry Potter’s author believes in women being that and knowing it. Knowing something for sure is very strengthening. So if you could work out something as being definitely right in your own and most other people’s minds, and hold onto it for balance and strength it will brace you.

  5. Mean while the world is burning and capitalisim is dying and Winston is worried about how someone wishes to live their life .We dont give a toss that he chain smokes and swills whiskey all day ,but I care when he lies and spins shit to distract from how useless the government he is a member of relly is .

  6. As a gay man I think everyone should be free to be whoever they want as long as they aren’t hurting people and are over the age of 18.

    Most people will atleast try and be respectful.

    However, while I don’t like that Winston is doing this for political reasons there’s absolutely an argument for some kind of legislation being necessary on the issue of sex v gender.

    same sex organizations and clubs, charities and support groups should be able to limit their members to people of the biological sex if that’s what the members and organization wants.

    If women’s sports teams don’t want MTF trans women on their team, fine. If gay male saunas don’t want FTM trans men at their venues because their clientele don’t want it, fine, if domestic violence shelters ever decide they don’t want trans woman at their shelters, fine. If mens support groups wanna be limited to biological men, fine.

    There are obviously better examples than the ones I’m making but I think there should be exemptions to certain organizations from having to accept members who are biologically the opposite sex of its membership.

    compromise is the only way we are going to be able to move on from this issue.

    Gay men and women in the fight for equality knew when to compromise, the trans communitys reluctance to compromise on any issue has set their movements acceptance back atleast a decade

    There does need to be some clarity on this and only the courts and parliament can provide it.

    Certain organizations and charities retaining the right to discriminate based off biological sex in special circumstances is ok and in some examples necessary.

    1. I think that sounds sensible and fair Corey. It used to be that women were kept out of much in society, that Jews were not able to join society organisations in usa and elsewhere – plenty of demeaning attitudes abounded.

      Things have improved but it is always good to be able to mingle with those one feels relaxed with. Maybe it would be wise to socially interact at times. Intersex toilets I don’t agree with. If I got stuck and there wasn’t one available for me, I would like to be able to ask for permission to use the other ‘s; if reasonableness and acceptance of difference was usual there would be few problems.

      But this encouragement to reject one’s own gender even when tinies or even when teenage, and such a to-do about it, has been a disadvantage to society. It’s not something to be Proud about by those who have instigated it.

  7. If we are so worried about who uses the toilets, let’s just have unisex stalls – I certainly won’t miss the stinky and sticky urinal wall.

    Seriously, this is such a pointless debate. Just let people live their best lives and let’s get out of their way.

    The usual laws apply regardless of gender labels. Don’t harm others.

    Winston et al are looking like total idiots. I can’t believe that I had a beer with him in Rarotonga years ago. I’d never do that again. What a wanker.

    People need to see through his rhetoric and see the attempt at distraction and disinformation for what it is.

    Peters and his crowd can just fuck right off. I’ve no patience with his juvenile shit.

  8. Winston is even accusing his own party’s former MP Tracy Martin of passing legislation behind his back… The man’s brain is turned to soup and he’s grifting to voters who’s brains are even soupier

  9. Why is this anything to do with politics in general and government in particular?

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