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  1. Well said Martyn and I hope they take heed with your wise words of wake-up.

    It seems like the CTU are tone deaf on the wrongs that the Rogrernomics experiment has made of destuction of our country.

    Best they wake up now before they push the “normal” button again and put us back into the deep dark place we have been since 1980’s again.

  2. Present !

    Yes,… all of the above and there will be more to come. I am reminded of Kinleith state forest which was sold off during the economic and social dismantling era of Douglas/ Richardson. That massive man made forest which supplied so much timber and was built on the backs of workers was flicked off to foreigners , like so many utility’s. So yes tree planting programs with a view to domestic and overseas use, locked into legislation that it can never be sold off by any govt.

    And yes, a new Ministry of Works to coordinate large /small scale national projects, – housing being a prime example.

    Look, the truth is we are going to have to go back a time when these things were the common political census, – way before Douglas and his destructive neo liberal free market ideology. Milton Freidman is the last 35 years flavour. That’s out and the new flavour is more aligned with the Keynesian approach of Michael Joseph Savage, – and all other govts including National up until 1984.

    And if we DONT do something similar, it wont be long before the effects of economic breakdown starts influencing the starving poor. And that’s going to get ugly.

    Free market neo liberalism has had its day and is now fast becoming a liability risk. I can only see a regulated, mixed market approach as being viable along with a BIG government to enable it.

    What Labour does until the next election ,… will make or break them, and because National have no answers either,…there is a very real risk that this country will enter a very serious situation ,- and it wont be from a virus either,… it will come from the very electorate themselves.

  3. Wise words of advice
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7MFJ4EFezQ&feature=youtu.be

    We are fragmented as a community and how we pull together depends on you and your acknowledgement of what is fundamentally wrong.

    Then you can begin the conversation without further dividing by getting lost in detail.
    We are controlled and breaking that leash is your first task before you can be effective.

  4. Worth trying Martyn, but the CTU still holds “Tripartism” most dear–which since the 1991 Employment Contracts Act, and 35 years of neo liberalism, has really shown its worth! i.e. None. Tripartism as an ideology as expressed in say the PSA’s “Partnership” is really class collaborationist in essence.

    The CTU is fine monitoring the dispersal of millions of taxpayer bucks to largely National voters in self employment, contracting and SMES. Really, they need to be playing an active role in organising working class people to demand a set of immediate demands such as Martyn’s, backed up by civil disobedience and strike action (still possible under distancing with some creative thought).

    –Emergency Basic Income (BI) to everyone with an IRD no. to circumvent WINZ
    –Power Generation and Supply restored to full public ownership
    etc. etc.

    1. Emergency Basic Income (BI) to everyone with an IRD no.

      Disagree. It should still have an income cap.

      (A UBI can be tailor made to any particular situation, state, region or nation – THo that have been trialled have all had their differences/ variations, and some at least have had the income cut-off points.)

      1. > Disagree. It should still have an income cap.

        Universalism is an essential part of the basic income pitch, for reasons of both fairness and simplicity of administration. As Susan St John has pointed out, receiving the basic income could be conditional on opting into a progressive tax system, so that only those who really need a public subsidy actually receive more than they pay. After seeing other small business people lose everything they’ve worked for in this pandemic, many of them might opt to pay more tax while they’re doing well, so they are covered if another unpredictable event comes along.

        1. Don’t make me embarrass you again. No one opts to pay more tax. We move to protect the most vulnerable. The closer to full employment, the less the government spends, the more sustained the tax cuts can be.

          UBI is protection money. People get angry when they’re left behind and smash stuff.

          After 2 years of this coalition government the most savage amounts of unemployment has griped the economy.

          With less than a year on the clock this government must embark of the most comprehensive jobs programs this nation has every seen with the growth to match.

          The results of those 2 years in government makes moving the economy towards full employment achievable. They’re an achievement many commentators said was not achievable and a UBI is just another example of commentators proclaiming what is or isn’t achievable.

  5. The future is a UI for those under 25 (C$180) – not in full-time work or full-time study (SA nad living costs to the JSB rate $250). This they can use to intern and do apprenticeships and also “self-employment” (casual/gig/part-time while they sort out what they want to do – develop their self reliant entrepreneurialship).

    We should move to that now, so they can avoid WINZ.

    And yes we could pay the UI to those who have been self-employed in recent years, for the duration of this downturn as well.

    With benefits.

    1. End repayment of grants out of benefits – save that for when they get a job (as per TD repayment income levels).
    2. Pay those with disability the super rate if alone and allow them individual adult rate JSB if they reside with a working partner.
    3. Move to individual entitlement and pay a UI to non working partners caring for children (under ***) or those with disability or doing important voluntary work. A work test (part-time and full-time as per the DPB) for those caring for older children. This is a two income economy now and those who are down to one job will need this to pay the rent or mortgage.
    4. Move to allow earning one days income before abatement ($160 at $20 an hour) the single and 1 1/2 days for the person with dependents ($240).

  6. From reading the postings of the union wonks here about, it’s evident they are globalists allowing membership from, and profiting from mass immigration themselves and lobbying for it.
    Hence it would not be in their own interest to act in the interests of kiwi workers.
    Such is the madness of NZ 2020

    1. Too true.
      They’re all self serving bastards.
      Why anyone would push for more of the same is beyond me.

  7. Some form of UBI is in our future whether we approve of it or not.
    What is up for discussion is the form it will take, its reason for being, and who it will serve.

    If the present government, in conjunction with the wider Left, pass up the opportunity to design it, if they fail to take this up and at least prepare the way, clarify the aims etc, then the Nats/ right wing will bring in a far more miserable, mean-spirited version when they are next in power.

  8. Such conference can be a good idea if it also assures participation and contribution from non-government associated groups.

    Very much worth a try.

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