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  1. Touch of brilliance here Martyn. You nailed it 1000%

    “How the hell this Party can still gain over 40% support is the question that should be troubling most of us, if National Party voters can still vote for these criminals after all the damage they have caused, then those National Party voters are part of the problem.”

    Try my review of ‘Steven (propagandist) Joyce’ botch up three years ago of our Napier/Gisborne Rail where he used his ‘propaganda agency MBIE to falsify a study reference records then!!!!!!

    So SS Joyce makes his whole life just a manufactured lie!!!!!
    Press release from CEAC. – 6th September 2017.

    ‘New complete all-inclusive meaningful rail study required’

    According to our community assessment of the ‘East Coast Regional Economic Potential Study’ 2014 that (S Joyce) in Government used to mothball the Napier Gisborne rail service, both the RMA and the NZTA environmental requirements were not considered during the completion of that report, which was legally required to have been considered including “the social and environmental ‘impacts’ of any changes in transport planning.

    It is now very clear that Mr Brownlee & Steven Joyce during their haste in producing this ‘MBIE Napier Gisborne rail viability report’ failed to include the costs of those ‘environmental impacts’ upon both ‘built’ communities and the ‘natural’ environment as required by legislation and NZTA’s own environmental guidelines.

    Now three years later (2017) all our communities of HB/Gisborne are suffering with road freight increased truck movements that are generating large negative public health impacts from truck noise, vibrations, and air pollution and loss of enjoyment of life and property values.

    We agree with fully with Gisborne Councillor Manu Caddie in 2014 who called this study “a whitewash”.

    We now strongly call on the new Government to have this flawed study scraped and our long suffering community groups from each region involved in a new ‘complete all-inclusive meaningful rail study required’ that includes all their “negative environmental impacts” using road only freight

    Quoting from the press release in 2014 Mr Brownlee claimed “when operational, rail only accounted for 2 to 3 per cent of freight from the region and the report finds no clear evidence of a significant economic impact following its closure,” Mr Brownlee said.
    “The study illustrates the need to develop further capacity for heavy vehicles on State Highway 35 north of Gisborne and to maintain the quality of State Highway 2 between Gisborne and Napier, and northwest of Gisborne to the Bay of Plenty,” he said.

    Those explanations from the Transport Minister Mr Brownlee and Mr Joyce in the release of the study then both showed the lack of environmental awareness and consideration and cost of transport planning then in 2014.

    We want the new Government after 23rd September to include those costs so communities are covered and compensated for any negative impacts from the loss of rail.

    Public health &safety must be protected.

  2. Unfortunately, as Germany showed us in the 1930s, a significant proportion of the population are so fearful of externalities (whether real, imagined, or exaggerated) that they will “value order over justice”.

    It will be the role of the Left to continually push down the throats of those “40%” the consequences of their “valuing order” over social justice.

    Which one reason why the homeless rough-sleepers should never be banned from our streets. They are the direct consequence of “valuing order” over social justice and by god, let those 40% be reminded every day of the consequences of “valuing order over justice”.

    1. My understanding is the Germans felt they didn’t start WW1 but were footed the bill. The German Empire was too strong to balance in Europe thus it was dismantled. They were not allowed an army of large size and suffered rampant unemployment along with civil disorder from the collapse, with multiple factions gunning for power and control.

      It was a recipe for another WW2.

      Obviously it’s a bit different today when Moscow and Beijing are footing the bill for everything. The BRICS nations are just way to strong to balance globalisation thus it must be dismantled. They are not allowed an army of large size and suffer rampant copulation issues along with Pyongyang being disobedient from the Asian pivot, with multiple states gunning for power and control.

      It is a recipe for WW3.

  3. Well Martyn you summed that up after all this billshit we have stupid stupid selfish NZers still voting for this lot and I agree with what my mother said last election, quote “those stupid pakehas voted for national again” (she is a pakeha my mum but she aint stupid or selfish) Now I believe sire key started the great divide between the haves and have nots and then jumped ship leaving his bloody big mess for others to clean up.
    Boot camps my brother was one of many that was abused at the great barrier boot camps and so was William Bell who went on to kill three innocent people while high on P (RSA killings) this government needs to be exposed but our bias media are protecting their masters and so are others who have a vested interest. These people like the real estate companies really only care about themselves and their profit margins.
    Now billshit said he was gonna reduce child poverty by 100,000 in the next 3 years but he didn’t want to measure the level of poverty. At the same time he claims to be an evidence based man hence his social investment approach this is hypocrisy at the highest level. Where is your evidence bill?
    I look forward to the parties debate where billshit will get hammered by the other parties and where these parties have an opportunity to attack him on all the above. Then we will truly see how his credibility stands up once he has been exposed for the all the lies and deceit.

    1. It was started well before Key, let’s not forget how many kids were left in poverty by Labour after 9 years in government.

      1. Agree Michael. I don’t fully trust the current Labour lot; there’s still a lot of neo libs among them, which was the faction of the ’84 and ’87 governments that started the rot. That’s why I’m voting Green – a more reliable social democrat option.

  4. The only “hole” I can see is the one in Bullshit Bills, Todd Barclay affair.

    The fact that Hooten is now at his vitriolic best towards Jacinda, shows how very very worried they are, thus the Dirty Politics of Joyce to “create” doubt in kiwis minds. The issue here, is that unlike Key, Crosby, Textor strategisst aren’t working their magic and Joyce has not been as much dildo slapped this time but shown to be economically incompetent. And yet 40 % find that okay?

    1. Look to Hoskings and Gower and the rest of the cocktail churnatists- this is why the sheeple are not waking up. If the media are not giving fair, true reporting they are just propergandists.

  5. transNational party & voters innately know that it’s all about holding power – the rest is window dressing.

    The bar for assessing Joyce’s $11bn allegation is whether or not it was astute not whether or not it was ethical.

  6. A pretty ghastly litany.

    I wonder when the Media is going to ask where in National’s policy is the mechanism to lift 100,000 kids out of poverty. Is it budgeted for? Is it referred to in any way? Had how do they plan for it to happen.

    Their current claims of success are based on what, exactly? They already claim to have lifted some 50,000 above the poverty line. How was this done? Was it the $25.00 we naver hear the end of? Was that all it took? Or was it forcing carers into low-pay jobs where they could no longer look after their kids, while transferring for “beneficiary recipient” to “working poor”. Great improvement. Many of these people will now be in a worse situation.

    The only way to deal with Child Poverty is by attacking it on a multi-platform basis.

    Education so parents can access better paid jobs. Good childcare support so parents can work without making things worse for their kids. Higher minimum wage levels. Good access to healthcare, perhaps through schools. Better community infrastructure. Joined-together family support of the whanauora type. And basic respect paid to parents who are struggling to give their children a good life.

    This is not the sort of thing you can solve with a few dollars.

    Nor is it something that can be helped by using an algorithm to identify 5000 “most at risk” when that group is only the tip of the iceberg, no matter how you try to focus all your energies there.

    The fact is, Bill English’s pet informatic project is an exercise in funding reallocation. It’s the sort of “solution” you come up with when you look down the wrong end of the telescope. Children in poverty are not statistics to be treated as such. They and their families are real people who deserve respect. And no matter how many “resource” you throw at some subset of poor people, unless you change the broad paradigm of the society settings they face, you will get nowhere. And, like all those other failed “targets” squirted out under John Key the upwardly mobile 100,000
    will just get filed under “election lie” in the trashcan of history.

    I wonder where that is in National’s plans.

    1. They both need to be asked and front up on how they are going to get that number out of poverty, I am cynical about them both.

  7. Now Joyce is saying, Labours fiscal plan will push up loan rates. He doesn’t say how, he just put’s it out there, in the scaremongering universe.

    1. If that’s true, why hasn’t national’s $90 billion debt pushed up interest rates? I think the gentleman doth protest too much.

    2. Martyn has highlighted the fact the the MSM, are letting him get away with incorrect statements like Joyce’s imaginary 11.B fiscal hole.

      The MSM seem to be lapping Joyce up and taking to air/print/screen exactly what the National Party want to be publicly disseminated through the media like Jacinda and you say to scaremonger. I still think Gower and NewsHub owe Labour an apology for introducing the question during the leaders debate, because Joyce’s accusations had been debunked prior to the debate going live.

      Joyce’s latest comments no doubt will not be his last vague accusations aimed at trying to discredit Labour’s economic and fiscal credibility. I am hoping that enough swing voters see through Joyce’s use of deceit and fear to oust both him and Bill come 23 September 2017.

    3. Martyn has highlighted the fact the the MSM, are letting him get away with incorrect statements like Joyce’s imaginary 11.B fiscal hole.

      The MSM seem to be lapping Joyce up and taking to air/print/screen exactly what the National Party want to be publicly disseminated through the media like Jacinda and you say to scaremonger. I still think Gower and NewsHub owe Labour an apology for introducing the question during the leaders debate, because Joyce’s accusations had been debunked prior to the debate going live.

      Joyce’s latest comments no doubt will not be his last vague accusations aimed at trying to discredit Labour’s economic and fiscal credibility. I am hoping that enough swing voters see through Joyce’s use of deceit and fear to oust both him and Bill come 23 September 2017.

    4. Thing is Bert, this mode of dirty politics they’re enagaged in isn’t resonating as well as previous elections.
      Like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, the swing voters are sick of this shit.
      This time, it’s Jacinda who’s wearing the teflon armour, rather than the white collar criminal Key.
      Their core constituency is those that can’t/won’t think, and the Blue Dragons. What those numbers are is anyones guess. But the trend is still downwards across the polls, hence the panic in their campaign.
      Add the fact they’ve managed to paint themselves into a corner as far as potential coalition partners go and I think they’re staring down the barrel.
      Straightjacketed by their extreme neoliberal ideology, they can only offer hollow promises, big mac tax cuts, funded by Public Private Partnerships, asset/land sales and indebtedness, for which the public has little appetite.
      No doubt things will get nastier, and their allies (NZ initiative, tax payers union, Hooten et al) will get louder.

      1. I agree Quicksilver. I also believe that there are enough people who see that Dildo Joyce is clearly not intelligent enough and in fact Crosby and Textor are pulling Joyce’s strings.

    5. Fear, fear, fear USA Style Politics, plus false narratives just get it out there and the damage will be done ?

  8. Its not “madness”. Its sociopaths conspiring in our extinction.

    Deliberate, rational, dirty politics, to drive the class interests of the NZ comprador capitalist class, as you say ‘gaming’ the National road of significance all the way to Wall Street.

    NZ’s weak, dependent, backward, economy is like most of the world, stagnating, facing a terminal crisis of falling profits and climate catastrophe.

    No wonder mass immigration and earthquakes are necessary to manufacture GDP growth at the expense of social and climate collapse.

    Without a constitution, the separation of powers is based on goodwill.
    The NACTS have concentrated power in Cabinet, by-passed Parliament, subordinated the bureaucracy and (almost) the judiciary, and of course the profit motive already captured the corporate media.

    Dirty politics becomes necessary to prevent political opposition from winning support, and the enlisting of spies and police is necessary to spy on an criminalize workers and lock up all those who resist.

    Cabinet rule, or better the creation of a PM who takes executive power personally, is how the naked ruling class cloaks its class power in fake ‘transparency’ – in reality the emperor with no clothes.

    The authoritarians of the capitalist/patriarchy culture worship servility to authority figures, especially those who practice the culture and are the ready fascist fodder for executive power to manufacture a civil and global wars against the poor.

    Those who resist this drive to fascism need to rally and organise to force whoever wins this election, to call a Constituent Assembly of all over the age of 16, to create a parliament that is sovereign, its representatives recallable, with delegates paid no more than the average wage, put work under workers control, close down the police and surveillance state, nationalise the land, renationalise state assets, create a state bank that can fund agriculture and industry, and completely socialise health, education and housing.

    Failing that, the movement for a Constituent Assembly has to be build on the basis of anti-fascism and workers democracy to take power and fight for a Workers Government to implement survival socialism.

  9. It’s called the “big sleep” and nobody and nothing seems to be able to waken the 40 percent up from it.

  10. National’s “Blue Dragons” that Bill English is so proud to take selfies with at every opportunity, are essentially the New Zealand branch of the Chinese Communist Party.

    1. Blue would not have been the colour of choice for the Dragons. Red is their country’s traditional colour.
      Perhaps National promised to change their party colour to red if they get a 4th term.

      Reagan changed the Republicans from blue to red. Right-wingers love the symbols of power, and red is more aggressive than blue.

      National has been trending away from their traditional blue. Last elections brighter blue was the start. The new Nat jogger ad is using a teal blue that is a lot more agreeable than NZ/Britain’s imperial blue for many of NZ’s new voters.

  11. ‘How the hell this Party can still gain over 40% support is the question that should be troubling most of us’

    Easy: people prefer lies to truth. And few bother to become informed about anything beyond sports results and the composition of teams. And propaganda works; that why it is used, over and over and over again.

    Meanwhile, the world is rapidly turning to custard… which another reason why people refuse to face reality.

    Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

  12. Oooooo,… so who’s been a naughty little boy and girl , then ?

    Little billy and Paula – poos… go to the back of the class!

    Seriously , – vote the monkeys out this September 23rd and get a real govt in , – we cant afford chumps running the place at this late stage of the game .

  13. Martyn, this Government is a “No truth no ethics no shame crowd.”

    Each one has contributed to an impoverished nation.

    The “blue dragons the immigration numbers and National/Act members” are busy preserving their wealth.

    They don’t want us to have a better life, as it might affect theirs.

  14. The questions I’d like to see asked …

    1. If it’s OK to charge NZ’ers the International rate for dairy products – isn’t it right NZ’ers should charge dairy produces the International rate for resources? Land, water, etc …

    2. How much will National increase GST by – this time – to pay for their tax cuts?

    3. Why are CEO’s remunerated at an International rate while employees are paid at a NZ rate? The NZ economy simply can’t afford these charlatans!

    4. Isn’t Maori getting a % of water revenue better than sending that money off shore to benefit the shareholders who have never stepped foot in NZ?

    I could go on … later

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