Comparing Biden’s press conference with the Taliban’s first press conference
Fall of Afghanistan: Taliban announces ‘amnesty’ as reports emerge of beatings, home invasions
The Taliban has declared an “amnesty” across Afghanistan and urged women to join its government – as reports emerge of Taliban fighters going door-to-door searching for female journalists.
“The Islamic Emirate doesn’t want women to be victims,” Enamullah Samangani, a member of the Taliban’s cultural commission, said today, using the militants’ term for Afghanistan. “They should be in government structure according to Shariah law.”
He added: “The structure of government is not fully clear, but based on experience, there should be a fully Islamic leadership and all sides should join.”
How bizarre is it that the Taliban managed a better press conference than Biden?
Biden’s bitter self justifying blame everyone except America press conference was embarrassing.
His claim that America isn’t into ‘nation building’ was funny because America is really into nation breaking.
He wiped his hands clean and all he had to add was…
…Watching Democrats & Republicans blaming each other for the collapse of Afghanistan is funny.
America is to blame – you all have blood on your hands.
Compare Biden’s press conference with the Taliban’s first press conference who are busy declaring an amnesty and calling on cooperation. If the Taliban don’t go on a killing spree it’s going to be very embarrassing for the West.
Whose blood? Whose treasure?
After the CIA funded the most radical elements of the Afghan militia to fight the Soviets in the 1980s – INCLUDING ironically funding Osama Bin Laden, the US walked away from Afghanistan with various fanatics still armed to the teeth with their CIA funded weapons.
These factions turned on each other and inspired the rise of the Taliban.
The US oil industry then tried to work with the Taliban in the 1990s and America pursued business interests regardless of what the Taliban were doing to women, then September 11 happened and to punish a terror attack that was conducted by a mostly Saudi team of terrorists, America invaded Afghanistan as a pretext for invading Iraq.
In the years between then and now we propped up corrupt Afghan regimes, wasted trillions and pretended that the Afghan people would welcome our occupation.
Well they fucking didn’t.
Turns out it was as it has always been, about an occupation that the people we occupied didn’t want.
The only lesson is we never learn this lesson.
The whitewash Stuff.co.nz are doing to justify our occupation of Afghanistan is Fox News level propaganda – it’s like the anti war movement in NZ 20 years ago never existed.
We have never been at war with Oceania!
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Yup.
I think the anti war me movement played a major role in constraining what Bush/Obama ECT could do a n the war on terror. Basically the whole thing was exposed to public scrutiny with a major and well deserved thanks going to captain rappey one, Julian Assange (please allow me to use the term rapey one to describe Julian as a term of endearment).
Corporate Media on the other hand doesn’t want anyone to oppose state violence. Now that there are large multimedia conglomerates state violence is the only cash cow.
Again we need family and community banks are in every town lending for productive purposes.
Intererst rates should go to zero until regulators can control the big 4 banks with huge fines and taxes for even the most minor discretion.
Trump would have handled it better. Yoiks! I’m preparing for the backlash!
Trump was complicit…
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/17/opinions/buck-stops-with-biden-but-trump-role-in-afghanistan-a-doozy-ghitis/index.html
It’s hard to see what he could have done different consistent with actually getting out WK. I think it’s obvious that the Taliban has the sympathy of the country. They have played the Yanks for massive suckers , much of the Trillions spent must still be in Afghanistan and their military equiped with all the latest gadgets. All handed over without a fight.
D J S
The big mistake was the woke cultural imperialism. Who thought it would be a good idea to wind up the Taliban by introducing gender studies and queer theory into the universities.
I think I’d have joined them if my kid was having that BS rammed down their throat.
I did want Trump to go after elites like he fucken said but he gave them all fucken tax cuts instead. Fuck Trump.
We live in a strange world where even the medieval Taliban understand how to create propaganda.
What can you say, Afghanistan was a clusterfuck in particular from the US and Britain and the blame should be on the idiots in power who allowed the invasion in the first place aka Tony Blair and George W Bush and his advisors Rumsfeld and Cheney! Secondary blame should be on the allies that sent troops when they realised it was illegal to invade them and Iraq.
That was the start of death of democracy and the corruption and downfall of the west. In particular when international laws were breached and those blowing the whistle on torture, surveillance etc, were harassed and imprisoned aka Snowdon, Assange, Manning… Even the Taliban have managed better propaganda than the US by saying they are having an amnesty.
So what exactly was Biden supposed to do about Afghanistan?
Are people proposing he send U.S. troops BACK into the country and start fighting again?
As I understand it he decided to end twenty years of failure and let the Afghans settle their own problems.
They have.
The Taliban may be every bad thing said about them but the ”Afghan people”( if such exist in this deeply tribal country) have surrendered to tham. They have not supported the Western backed Afghan government.
Was Biden supposed to have some magical power to change this?
p.s. I suggest people read Max Hastings ‘Vietnam’ which illustrates how Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon each resisted giving up an unwinnable war because they did not want to be ‘the first American President that lost a war’.
If Biden resisted this he is to be congratulated rather than ridiculed.
Yes I agree with Steve. The terms of US troops leaving had already been agreed upon with the Afghan govt and the Taliban. There was no easy way out of Afghanistan and the damage the west has caused there with continued and terrible warfare needed to stop. Check journo on the ground Andrew Quility reporting on the situation on the Intercept esp on CIA Black ops, drone killings and night raids, pretty chilling reading. Think about how you would feel if that was going on in your village/town. Once they established control in an area, fighting stopped and people got along with their everyday lives without much interruption. There is hope that the Taliban will not be as brutal as they were twenty years ago, and what they are saying is also hopeful. They are clearly not stupid and are making every indication they are intending to play by international rules, unlike say, MBS in Saudi Arabia…now that’s a scary regime. I wish the country well.