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  1. Very true John. These are intergenerational problems. I’m in a good economic position today, but I can name several threshold events where someone of my very moderate intelligence and low conscientiousness but born to a family outside the middle class would have been more likely to fall into serious civil debt or even catch a pretty serious criminal charge, and indeed I almost talked myself into that, but due to both socialization and better family resources to support did not.

    We need to change society to do better by the working class, to advance their current position at the expense of corrupt foreigners like Peter Thiel and John Key and give them more opportunities for the future.

    1. ‘Racism was rife then as it is today.’ –
      This is where the left loses people.

      1. Agree. Racism hasnt helped and still persists today (but big progress has been made in people’s attitudes over the last 50 years) but it is a lesser issue than capitalism and its effect on the lowest 50% of the population.

        Did anyone catch Luke Orbell at the Youth parliament shenanigans?

        He is angry about race and colonisation but fails to see that 1. Personal responsibility and making your own way is key to success in any society 2. What he sees as colonisation and race is foremost a class issue and all about rogernomics and capitalism.

        Great that the guy is putting himself out there unlike many kids today but sad that he has been encouraged to see NZs ills as all about race rather than class.

        1. 100% agree Fantail.

          My fear and belief is there will be nothing done to rectify inequality. I naively believed Labour would.

          I think focusing on race is having a problematic effect on NZ. I think a back lash is coming.

  2. The groups you are talking about have 30-40% truancy rates and a high percentage are functionally illiterate .
    You’re right that it’s not racial , it’s poverty but the answer is education. They have to go to school!
    Anything else is a band aid

    1. I disagree about the school thing.
      School never worked for me and doesn’t work for lots of kids.

      There should be far more formal diverse ways for kids to learn.

      Lots of these kids need one on one attention and that is the way they would learn to read which is a vital link for life.

    2. Well said and today’s figures on the numbers that are leaving school with no qualifications is frightening.. I would say a large percentage were Maori and Pacifica. We need to somehow break the cycle and if it takes a bribe to do it then let’s do it .
      $3000 thousand for your child’s full attendance at school for the year and a payment to the child for every NCEA qualification.
      This would work out cheaper than the $100000 a year to keep them in prison

    3. You might want to check out the phonomen of “kiwi suspensions”, a process where troublesome (and often traumatised) children are quietly banished from education. Though illegal, they’re relatively common, and the Ministry of Education are well aware of it. Indeed, if their behaviors anything to go by, they agree. The vast majority of the victims are working class, of all races and both genders.

  3. You are correct the issue is class not race.

    Essential workers often on minimum wage kept the elite class fed and alive- while risking their own health- through covid while their betters worked from home and came up increasing complex ways of making business and workers lives more difficult.
    When they protested, they were “rivers of filth” or “dumb lives matter”.

    It’s not “we” who are getting it the wrong way around, it’s the insane identity politics cadre in charge who are fracturing our country by race while causing massive inequality with their house price inflation policies over covid.

  4. Pakeha make up the majority of the wealthy.( Why do media not mention this, as it skews the stats)
    So to improve the stats they can make more Maori and Pacifica wealthy. Or disadvantage poor pakeha more. Both would make the equity stats look better. Glaringly state media last few years never mention poor pakeha.

    1. @Rik spot on, the only way identitarianism works is to ignore class politics and therefore ignore the white working class. As has been pointed out in the UK where white working class boys have the worst educational and social outcomes. Inconveniences like this shatter the intersectional model and therefore threatens the power and influence of far too many politicians, academics, activists and other middle class virtue signallers.

      A backlash against grievance based equity politics is coming. My fear is that it will not be a return to the ideals of egalitarianism and genuine progressivism but an over swing of the pendulum to some mirror image of wokism on the right. The baby will be thrown out with the bathwater and the bath will be sold for scrap making genuinely progressive politics unpalatable for a generation.

  5. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Only word I have is education. Education floats boats.

  6. Emphasizing race over class disparity does little to help those most effect by these damning statistics. Race based help/awareness raises poor brown people to the same level as poor white people. Class based help raises ALL poor people to a higher level. It also has the add bonus of not alienating people who are allies.

  7. I think it would be very beneficial to establish a central employment agency for all the members of all the Maori tribes who are unemployed to link them up with employers. I know the Ministry of Social Development does work with all unemployed with the aim to attain employment for them but this additional initiative may be prudent going forward.

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