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  1. What pay gap?

    Do women prime ministers charge more or less prime than male ministers

    Do women governor generals charge more or less than male governors general

    Do women Attorney Generals charge more or less than male attorney generals

    Do women GPs charge more or less than male GPs

    Do woman fork lift drivers charge more or less than male fork lift drivers

    Do woman crane drivers charge more or less than male crane drivers

    Do woman slaughter persons charge more or less than slaughtermen

    Do women lawyers charge more or less than male lawyers

    Do woman dentists charge more or less than male dentists

    Do woman accountants charge more or less than male accountants.

    Do woman rubbish truck drivers charge more or less than male truck drivers

    Do woman factory line workers charge more or less than male factory line workers

    Do woman nurses charge more or less than male nurses

    Do woman state school teachers charge more or less than male teachers

    Do woman cops charge more or less than male cops.

    Do women oil rig workers charge more or less than male oil rig workers

    Do women mechanics charge more or less than male mechanics.

    Do women forestry workers charge more or less than male forestry workers.

    There is no pay gap? Equal pay for equal work was implemented in NZ a long time ago. Isn’t pay supposed to be based on productivity. For example male strawberry pickers generally earn less than female because they are paid a peice rate and woman have more nimble fingers for delicate work and pick more strawberries per hour – it’s pay based on productivity. Occasionally there might be greater demand for for workers of one sex or the other for specific reasons based on sex. For example there is a major shortage of male role model primary and preschool teachers post Christchurch Creche Case – may be male primary school and preschool teachers should be paid more than their female colleagues!

    If women want to be paid more either charge more or do a job with higher pay.

  2. Hhhmm interesting all the men’s comments on here.

    Even though I am a woman, I agree with Mart on this being about middle class women.

    As someone trained and previously professionally engaged in organisational development and for that matter managing the pay strategy for a few organisations, I cant think of anything more destructive for organisational culture and most likely, productivity.

    This is the ultimate in division and will not make a single person happy.

    At organisational level looking down, you get a handful of different types of people (in terms of their behaviour) and what they get paid, usually comes down to two things. Overwhelmingly, popularity (True for men and women – may favour males or women with more male dominated traits in a largely male management cadre) and secondly fear. (If this particular person feels slighted will they cause hell?).

    The rest – how hard you work, how loyal you are, how capable you are (unless there are severe skills shortages), how lazy you are makes almost no difference in the public sector. With the exception of the few poor souls who were squeezed out (not given a pay rise year after year) for whatever reason. Usually, those over 55 who are seen as dead wood. Used to be this described people that had slowed down so much they even moved slowly across a room or were too inflexible to go with the flow and made a pain of themselves.

    Increasingly, there was a trend to bring in younger managers and many of them female. Then the you dont get any pay rise squeeze became the norm for anyone in their 50’s except for the few silver tongues who knew how to work it and survive the purge.

    Pay transparency takes us right back to the disincentivising days of 1970’s payscales and its unfortunate effects on productivity and retention.

  3. “Closing the Gap is about middle-class tertiary educated women getting more at a management level, it’s not the great leveller of worker consciousness.”

    BINGO!

    I would add to the end of your sentence: ….despite working fewer hours, having regular pregnancy breaks and refusing to move for work. LOL

  4. As folklores actress said to the Bishop–“Timing is everything”

    Pay transparency is a good idea in theory as long as there are no exceptions. Employers will fight this as opaque pay rates are a means of keeping workers divided as grasping individuals rather than a group acting collectively.

    It is one thing to scrutinise pay rates etc. but trusts and corporate structures will still hide much of the real money.

  5. I can see Chippy tying himself in knots (again) trying to address “pay equity between the sexes” when he doesn’t even know what a woman is. Is the plan to piss off everyone – the women, “cis white men”, motorists, farmers etc? Good luck with that.
    The Herald have run Chippy’s “what is a women” story/debacle, the comments overwhelmingly of the “adult human female, you idiot” type.

    1. Also if you are a man that self ID’s as a woman, you should get out of prison too. Everyone knows woman are less violent with or without a penis.