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  1. To completely irradiate “capitalism” someone has to come up with a system , perhaps called socialism, that no one has identified yet. If there is no free enterprise at all, who decides what everyone does ? How are the people who decide this selected? Do people have cash to make individual choices about buying Speights or Heineken? Or is there only one state produced label, and a weekly allocation?
    Capitalism certainly exhibits the potential problems identified here, and we are well on in an historical period exemplifying the excess of it’s unregulated potential. But it served this country well in the post war years when we had perhaps the best mix of a social democracy based on managed capitalism that there has been anywhere at any time.
    In the present environment when there is so much poverty and deprivation amongst gross excess , a movement to reject capitalism altogether could catch on, but advocates of eradication would need to present a comprehensive model of the alternative they have in mind to offer the electorate that a majority would vote for. We don’t want a military dictatorship to replace it.
    The top tax rates used to even things out once. In the UK top rates of income tax were once over 90%.
    A hell of a lot can be done to make capitalism work for everyone but it needs the clear will of an elected government to do so. The government needs to be clear that it is governing in the interests of all of society not just the elite. And for New Zealand not for foreign countries. And not necessarily for the max of GDP.
    Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
    D J S

    1. “Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater”. Unfortunately under capitalism the bathwater is inevitably becoming toxic.The baby is going to perish, or be nurtured under a new society.The capitalist system operated for a historical period without destroying its host, the people.Now ,this is all changing with the finite resources of the world rapidly running out.The wars that are racking the planet at an ever progressing rate are systematic of attempts to gain economic advantage by military means; the arch capitalist U.S. Empire leading the way, followed by the European vassals.All developed capitalist countries are showing an ever increasing inequality ,with the Oligarchs/One percent/Deep State gathering a larger share of all resources.We have no choice. It’s adapt to the new reality,or have our civilization collapse under the chaos created by our present masters of the universe.Herr Trump is the canary in the coal mine, the shape of things to come!

      1. All too true, but though the world has changed in many ways in the meantime, capitalism has a cycle. It’s at an extreme now in it’s level of domination of society and it may take the murderous chaos being spread around the globe by the agents you identify, and the world’s eventual reaction to it before it is brought back under control again.
        But I repeat, What is the design of the acceptable alternative for organising our world?
        Your point about the worlds resources is pertinent . The present unfettered extreme of capitalist dominance is the most inappropriate system for managing a world of limited resources, both to supply raw materials and cope with the waste products that could be invented.
        Capitalism has to be made the servant instead of the master of society; Made to operate within the framework necessary to accommodate the planet and the people, but I can’t think of an acceptable alternative way of deciding who does what for whom. If you have a design in your head of a socio-economic system that could replace it entirely please let everyone know.
        Cheers D J S

        1. I totally agree that a conversation needs to take place for the replacement of the present system.I have some ideas of a socio-economic system to replace our present model , but it is a problem that is only going to be solved after exhaustive discussion and collaboration . I don’t kid myself that I have all the answers. But it is going to have to be more democratic than what we have at the moment.The authors of it are going to have to sell it to the population.So wild talk of revolution will only remind the population of unsavoury models that have gone on before.Having said that,and at a risk of making myself unpopular with people on both the right and the left,there are some obvious reforms that can be made.Like the ownership of certain means of production;the exploitation of which has a detrimental effect on society.Thus the renationalisation of rail,public transport, airports,water services,electric power etc.A limit placed on the income that can be earned by any individual ie $300,000 per annum, the surplus to be utilized by the state on behalf of the people.There will be still differences in income, but they will range from a guaranteed liveable income of say $30,000 per person to the maximum stated, thus keeping a differential incentive for entrepreneurship.Death duties will be re-established to prevent family dynasties.Individuals will only be able to own complete assets of five million maximum.Gift duties will be re -implemented to prevent unreasonable concentrations of wealth.Controls on Corporate behaviour will be introduced to prevent them controlling our political system and to force them to be responsible entities that are beneficial to society as a whole, rather than just their shareholders.These policies will I imagine create a far more equal society . The aforementioned are talking points.There are no doubt serious and credible objections to this prescription.Please let me know what they are!!

      2. As a post script Capitalism has not failed, it has triumphed .
        Democracy has failed to provide governance of it. To make it work for the many.
        D J S

  2. ‘Old America’ who ‘championed’ ‘capitalism’ was o/k when we had few corporations.

    In the 1890’s, most US citizens who were working then, were self employed the records showed.

    93% of working Americans at the beginning of the 1900’s owned a small bussiness or ‘worked for themselves’.

    Since then ‘cororatism’ has take hold and reduced the self employed to the lowest levels on record today.

  3. We know all about the failures of the capitalist system, and how it has failed in areas in New Zealand. Child poverty was what Jacinda talked about, when saying capitalism had failed, and I think Winston was thinking about homelessness, working poor and the likes.

    But to get a change, we can hardly go this way, which I think is not going to solve the crisis. I have NO trust in Phil the Stoner Twyford:
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/no-means-testing-for-kiwibuild-homes.html

    Ballots or ‘lottery’ to get an ‘affordable’ home, buying other properties from developers, and allowing homes to cost up to 600k is not much of a useful alternative to the failed capitalist system we have.

    Capacity problems will make it near impossible to deliver the 16 thousand homes that Labour plan to build with Kiwi Build, there are not the builders needed, the materials are too expensive, land is too expensive and scarce. There are endless challenges.

    More intervention would be needed, and some will have to bleed, i.e. property owners that already own land and homes, their homes will lose values, we need some land tax, controls on ownership and more.

    By the way Kiwi Build is asset sales by stealth also, as using Crown land to build on, and then sell the land and homes to private owners and developers, that is PRIVATISATION.

    The whole plans around Kiwi Build are flawed, we hear too little about state housing that also needs to be built, and I fear this whole policy will prove to become almost impossible to deliver on.

    And I am NOT an Nat loving troll, I am far from it, I am just suspicious about what is talked about and planned.

    So let us see what miracles Labour and NZ First will deliver us, I expect very little to be honest.

  4. There’s little adrift with the notion of many people putting in small amounts of money to have a stake in a venture they couldn’t afford on their own. A pooling of capital and other resources.

    And it can lift people out of poverty. It has.

    It’s when the money doesn’t get back to the investors. When managers and owners, corporations and impersonal pension funds get involved that the essential socialism of investing capital to make a good hits the soap on the top step.

    And the propagation of self-justifying myths: owners and entrepreneurs ‘risking’ their capital, being some sort of Higher Being with Rare Qualities who utterly deserves vast rewards, hobnobbing with some very peculiar people with aspirations that are not good for either the planet and its life, or the bulk of humanity.

    If that’s what we’re calling ‘capitalism’ – fine. And we’re all complicit because so many of us are wanting that Lotto win, that break into the big league, that power and lifestyle., that status and recognition. We allow. We approve – even while we bemoan the consequences. We hope – and aspire, as John Key knew well.

    Humility and service seem to be sadly out of fashion. Stupid lefty tree-huggers and enablers. We’ve all heard those slurs.

    If you want a new narrative – then it must be one that at least makes it unsocial to be a psychopath in a three piece suit, and answers the old WII-FM* question with rewards that please. And you have to start from the earliest ages.

    *What’s In It For Me?

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