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  1. Mr Little’s boss, Jacinda Ardern, finally admitted she had voted Yes in the cannabis referendum, and then immediately pledged to legalise pill testing at festivals.
    Jacinda playing us all off against each other, taking sides, protecting her own self-interest. The PM who we all thought was going to be the progressive leader we were all looking for to govern fairly and fix the inequality gaps that infects society at all levels. She’s a total hypocrite and NO I did not vote for her or Labour.

    1. OK Tui you are disenchanted obviously but Ardern released the information about her “yes” vote not long after polls closed. So she did not seek to influence others one way or the other.
      What is your disappointment and I would be interested on what you think is “hypocrite” about her action.
      Has Collins pleased you more.
      I voted “yes” hoping decriminalisation PLUS a widespread education program about the damage done to growing brains by the weed.

      Our youngsters are being damaged with rising rates of various psychoses related to cannabis use in teenage and early adult years. This is not a matter to be laughed off as a lifetime of mental illness is a tragic consequence of community ignorance.

      1. “Our youngsters are being damaged with rising rates of various psychoses related to cannabis use in teenage and early adult years.”

        Evidence?

      2. Yes I completely agree, the PM is a smart polypolytition for all of us… and I have encountered the antiweed types (50%of NZers) who are IMO are not a group unlike the pro Trump group, “Trump or nothing” ie: no weed or nothing. Opinions based on bias and ignorance carried on through the ages. I am personally glad PM did not want to influence the pro or anti weed groups through her position of influence and power, this would not play well in the future and actually holds to her personal honerable stance on everything that has happened so far to never take advantage of her privilege. And, she always pointed out her POV was already out there. So, no, she did not not have the courage of her convictions, she is a little bit more wiser and sophisticated for that. To advocate or not, this would have done no favours to anyone, as will be evidence in the very near next three years of simply having to deal with the almost 50 percent pro weed vote, not to mention straight and ‘deplorable’ Americans being more progressive than us. It will give pause for thought for all those who would be simply anti dope because they basically think it is a poor Maori problem.ie, a racist issue, which many still hide behind.

      3. “Our youngsters are being damaged with rising rates of various psychoses related to cannabis use in teenage and early adult years.” And the sheer, unrelenting pressure of having to find a lifepath under the shockingly heavy burdens, financial, and personal placed upon them by a sick, and nakedly corrupt system have no effect whatsoever? The huge volume of utter rubbish food the powers that be have forced onto the youth without any more than faint lip service to any health considerations… Then we need to acknowledge the growing number of ADD, ADHD, and various other symptoms of the effects of the toxic environment a “business” obsessed government has inflicted upon the whole poulation, have had absolutely no impact on the mental health statistics? Of course not.. It’s children being given cannabis as five year olds.. Why didn’t I figure that out?

      1. Yea I have, the pills being tested are mostly illegal , seems a bit hypocritical to undertake pill testing of party pills for kids, which is an acknowledgement that popping pills can not be controlled so best to treat as a health issue , yet the same approach has been ruled out for Cannabis. Lack of policy consistency here.

  2. Very sad that this didn’t sweep thru with a majority. I guess a portion of young people just couldn’t find the motivation to vote, even for this. I look forward to seeing a breakdown of the voting on this. I have trouble understanding why little old NZ is so conservative, and more to the point, why the conservative would want to impose there restrictions on everybody. Bloody selfish.

    1. Perhaps the younger people are waking up to the damage weed does to the growing brain.
      I votes “yes” hoping for decriminalisation and the health issues being more widely canvassed to the remarkably ignorant public.

      1. John W:
        > Perhaps the younger people are waking up to the damage weed does to the growing brain.

        As with the much greater damage caused to young brains by alcohol, the best way to reduce this damage is to have licensed suppliers who will lose their license if they sell to people under 18. Everyone who voted “No” was voting for the continuation of black market tinny houses who will sell to anyone with $20. The same tinny houses who face no quality control regulation and can get away with spraying fly spray on buds to make them seem stronger. The Yes voters are the ones who voted to protect young people, not the head-in-the-sand Nopers.

  3. When others disappoint you with poor form, its wise to just move on and release any emotion from the interaction.

    “Dont argue with an idiot. The will beat you with experience and someone watching might not be able to tell the difference.”

    The main thing I am going to take from the reeferendum is that over half of NZ are not worth your attention. They will eat, drink and then medicate themselves to an early death, and influence others to do the same.

    Most schizophrenics test positive for celiac antibodies and in the past it was called wheat schizophrenia. All those poor souls never receiving the correct treatment. The media is full of lies, and true scientific endeavor is a dying art.

  4. Ardern withheld judgement on cannabis, so as not to alienate center right conservatives ( mainly women ) ,who would normally vote National ,but who were drifting to Labour under a good effort regarding covert.Coming out early pro cannabis risked losing those voters .Her positive endorsement of cannabis adding ,realistically 5%,could have carried the referendum but my feeling is the Labour strategy team told her to stay neutral to clinch the extra conservative votes .
    What older ex National voter wants a drug addict prime minister ? Oh dear .

    Ardern has shown remarkable leadership skills in times of crisis , but shows no sign of genuine transformational change or fixing inequality through fundamental redistribution or reform of the taxation system . Its just National lite .

    She is in a catch 22 . Reform taxation to solve inequality / child poverty /affordable housing and the former National voters go back to National . Which reduces her chances of a third term .

    Without serious wealth redistribution or Winston Peters to blame , a failure to address key social problems by 2023 will mean anger from the center left of Labour on the lack of progress and ammo for National to make a come back , based on Labours lack of performance .

    As the Labour vote drops , and migrates to the Greens in protest , it is plausible the Greens may hold considerably more power in 2023 .

    In 2023 , as the baby boomers start to die off , and more young people begin to vote ,the Greens appear increasingly viable. Young people only want 3 key things .A decent job ( which can’t be snaffled by a robot ),an affordable house ( that’s not $1,000,000 ) and a planet to live on .I don’t see Labour or National delivering this for young people anytime soon .

    Ardern is unable to produce radical reform if she wants to keep the center right ground and keep National weak and directionless . But the utter frustration with this by traditional labour voters may see the greens prosper , in 2023 .

    Watch this space .

  5. as a non-using Yes-voting 0.6% looser – the referendum was non-binding. Seems to me there is a strong mandate for reform. That so many voted YES despite say-nope-you-dope. So Dearest labour overlords – engage the tax-stream, disengage the “crucify our brown kids” model and lets try and catch up – and even pass blue-state-america.

  6. Fowlie is in error rounding 46.4% to 47% (nor does 48.4% round to 49%, though 50.7% does to 51%). Disregarding accuracy to make a point can misfire. However, I do agree with most of the rest of this. And reducing the gap from 7% to 2%; while not as good as a yes majority, is certainly useful to those arguing for drug law reform.

  7. Final reeferendum results showed as many people voted for a cannabis reform as for the Labour Party. If this indicates there is no mandate for change then it also indicates Labour doesn’t have a mandate to rule.

    1. Ethan Woke:
      > Final reeferendum results showed as many people voted for a cannabis reform as for the Labour Party.

      Almost.

      Vote for legalizing cannabis: 1,406,973
      Votes for Labour: 1,443,546

      But a lot more people voted against cannabis reform than for the NatACTs:

      Votes against legalizing cannabis: 1,474,635
      Votes for National: 738,275
      Votes for ACT: 219,030
      Total NatACT votes: 957,305

      I wonder which parties the other 500,000 or so Nopers voted for?

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