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    1. Enslaved to and held back by, certainly. And there’s nothing ‘Western’ or ‘European’ about the controllers of the US and its puppet regimes.

        1. Whats really absurd is pretending idiots like Donald Bent Trump ,,, or Dementia suffering Joe Genocide go along Biden, are or were running the Usa …

          Very ruthless Oligarchs control the Usa Empire ,,, and they are a threat to everyone everywhere, as they want it all …

          In their rules based disorder the only real rule is 1) Obey us or we will destroy you

          For every other rule refer it to rule number one.

          People and countries being treated as equals under International Law does not apply to these ‘Exceptional People’ and their Rules based disorder.

          Now have some exploitation and austerity.

          1. There are certainly some very powerful and rich people in the USA, that I don’t dispute. Welcome to most nations (let’s not pretend it is a USA phenomena).

            I am curious though what then makes them non “Western” or “European” like was stated above?

            I mean I can guess what Mohammed Khan meant by his assertion, I’m just curious if he will actually come out and say it.

  1. Oh no, Ben isn’t quite up to the latest news. Turns out the people of the Solomon Islands rejected the racial hatred for Chinese people and their people’s government that his NATO puppeteers push.

  2. Where’s mention of Blinken disastrous trip to China? In a nutshell the mouse roared at the dragon with predictable result.

  3. The sooner New Zealand cut all our military and intelligence ties with any of the beligerent parties and seek to get all our trade vessels under an internationally recognised neutral flag the better.

    “Any future war in the Pacific will be all about area denial, preventing your opponent moving their ships into or around the contested area.” Ben Morgan

    New Zealand the Switzerland of the South Seas.

    Friend to all enemy to none.

    Not be anyone’s ‘opponent’.

  4. Drones in warfare

    “…..uncrewed vessels can be used to cheaply extend the range and capabilities of a crewed vessel.” Ben Morgan

    Talking of the sinister new developments in drone warfare. Israel use of American made unmanned bulldozers to demolish houses and tear up roads and other civilian infrastructure in Gaza.

    https://www.defencetalk.com/israeli-army-introduces-unmanned-bulldozers-37260/

    But you won’t hear anything about sinister military bulldozer drones from Ben Morgan. It might burst his well constructed bubble about the West being the defenders of human rights and the rule of law.

    Interfering in the judiciary

    “…The freedom of the judiciary from political interference is a key pillar of any well-governed nation. The Lowery Institute, an Australian think-tank wrote a scathing report in 2022, the New Zealand Law Society highlighted the situation and even the UN sent a special raconteur to help mediate the situation.” Ben Morgan

    Both US and EU leaders are leaning on the International Criminal Court for even considering issuing arrest warrants for Israeli leaders for committing war crimes

    Congress threatens ICC over Israeli arrest warrants
    https://www.axios.com/2024/04/29/icc-congress-netanyahu-israel-gaza

    The International Criminal Court is being warned by members of Congress in both parties that arrest warrants for senior Israeli officials will be met with U.S. retaliation — and legislation to that effect is already in the works, Axios has learned.
    Why it matters: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has gone so far as to urge President Biden to intervene to help prevent the warrants, Axios’ Barak Ravid reported….
    …The White House declined to comment on Netanyahu’s call with Biden but said “the ICC has no jurisdiction in this situation and we do not support its investigation.”

    Why would Israel and its allies fear the ICC?
    https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/5/1/why-would-israel-and-its-allies-fear-the-icc

    “European countries supported the ICC arrest warrant against [Russian President] Vladimir Putin [for atrocities in Ukraine], …so how can they come out and suddenly oppose or criticise an ICC indictment on Israeli officials? If they shield Israel from international accountability yet again, then it will further underscore – in the eyes of many other countries in the Global South – that the West is engaged in this obvious game of double standards, and that will undermine … the international legal order.” Alonso Gurmendi Dunkelberg, an expert in international law and lecturer at King’s College London.

    But you won’t hear anything about this political interference in the judicial system by Western powers from Ben Morgan because it undermines his argument that we need to oppose only the powers Ben chooses to out for political interference in the judicial system.

  5. Xen, you sound like those Admiralty types in 1942 who sent battleships to Singapore to rule the sea. Aircraft carriers are today’s big juicy hypersonic target, the planes won’t fly very well sub surface.

  6. Rather childish assumptions in the comments I think – that the US will affect us much, or that teaming up with China is even an option for us. While it’s a little pejorative to compare China to Sauron, the observation Gandalf made about Sauron is true of them as well:

    “There is only one Lord of the Ring… and he does not share power.”

    China lends money and expertise to cultivate influence and sometimes intelligence. But it does not share power. Dissent is treated harshly, as it was in Hong Kong.

    We can work in or with the US, not so much in China. And we can opt out of most of their imperialist excesses – we have done so before, with the Iraq debacle for instance.

    China is more possessive – Taiwan is evidently not allowed to opt out. Nor is Tibet.

    1. Once again I find myself in agreement with you.

      I would also add that although not to the same degree I don’t think Russia has ever been able to accept Ukraine opting out from being under the Kremlins (effective) control.

  7. Stuart and PC, you sound like a pair of old Cold Warriors reluctant to admit that the world has changed. Blind allegiance to old power blocks is as unthinking as jumping into new allegiances. Even Pat with whom I disagree understands this when proposing an independent foreign policy. Unfortunately siding with either party or sailing independently will come at a huge cost. It may be wiser to assess it in terms of investing in the future.

    1. In what way do you imagine the world has changed, Nick J? The West hoped the Cold War had ended with the demise of the Soviet Union – and it might have done so had Gorbachev retained power. But Putin resumed the Cold War immediately upon taking power – he just got free rein for a decade or two while wishful thinkers like yourself overruled traditional caution.

      A submarine base is a decent move for NZ – and if it gets us a few overpriced US toys, so much the better. The real issue of US basing here is the rapes. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military

      1. Stuart, you ask in what ways the world has changed since the end of the Cold War? It worries me that you should ask.

        So megatrends in the last 30 years… USA financialised and deindustrialises. Europe ditto. China becomes the world’s largest economy, industrial and manufacturing super power. India and South East Asia emerge as economic powers. Russia emerges from a great depression made extreme by Western economic policies and rejects Western financial imperialism. So much more, BRICS, SCO etc.

        Biggest change, the US declares a unipolarity moment, the global “South” rejects it. “We make the rules”, say the US, “No you don’t”, comes the reply. Hence today’s conflict.

        Have you been hiding under a rock?

      1. Russian imperialism Pat. You see it, I don’t. If you said Russian ultra nationalism and extreme distrust of the West. Subtle but significant.

        1. “Russian imperialism Pat. You see it, I don’t….” Nick J

          How about American imperialism. Do you see that?

          Most supporters of American imperialism, don’t see it either.

          1. Yes Pat I see US imperialism, it is very different to Russian nationalism. For a start I recognise US desire for world hegemony. I also recognise Russia’s desire for national security when confronted by imperial proxies. Don’t you?

        2. “Russian imperialism Pat. You see it, I don’t. If you said Russian ultra nationalism and extreme distrust of the West. Subtle but significant” Nick J May 7, 2024 at 12:19 pm

          Russian Ultra Nationalism, and its corollary Russian exceptionalism, are necessary expressions of Russian imperialism. Just as American Ultra Nationalism and US exceptionalism are. How else can a nation justify to its people invading and taking over other nations if they are not convinced they are superior?
          If the rulers of a would be imperialist nation on the rise can’t convince their people, that they are superior and exceptional, (the people of other nations, being cast as inferior unenlightened savages, or in this case “fascists”) how can they convince their people that other peoples and nations need to be ruled and controlled from their allegedly superior paternal home country?

          Empire, exceptionalism, and the rhyming of history
          Kevork Oskanian (University of Exeter) 7 March 2022

          https://www.bisa.ac.uk/members/working-groups/resg/articles/empire-exceptionalism-and-rhyming-history

          “We do not belong to any of the great families of the human race:
          We are neither of the West nor of the East, and we have not the traditions of either. […]
          We belong to that number of nations which do not seem to make up an integral part of the human race, but which exist only to teach the world some great lesson.”
          – P. Chaadaev, 1836.

          ….between today and Chaadaev’s travails – (he was declared insane and confined by the Tsarist authorities) – these very same words could have been uttered by a modern-day Russian politician. Its various constitutive elements – the claim to civilisational specificity, and the mission to ‘teach the world a lesson’ – have, in recent years, become a mainstay of contemporary Russia’s exceptionalism. We usually associate that term with the United States and its ‘manifest destiny’. But, as Holsti has pointed out, it is applicable to many other Great Powers – including the Soviet Union – which are, in fact, are prone to exhibit foreign-policy behaviours justified by: an obligation to liberate others; freedom from constraints in that goal; a hostile external world; a need for external enemies; and a perennial portrayal as a victim…..
          …..In fact, Putin’s current views on Ukraine exhibit all aspects of exceptionalism as defined by Holsti: Putin aims to ‘liberate’ the hapless Ukrainians from a ‘Nazi’ government, free from the constraints of the Liberal International Order (LIO); he sees them as ‘brainwashed’ by a hostile West…..
          ….the latest iteration of Russian exceptionalism as it emerged following the fall of the Soviet Union, and a period of intellectual ferment – some would say chaos – in the 1990s. At the time, Russian society was confronted with a loss of identity as its source for seven decades – the Soviet Union – had disappeared. A hodgepodge of possibilities, going from extreme nationalism, over Soviet communist nostalgia, all the way to Western-style liberalism…
          While liberalism was a damaged idea – not least because of the neoliberal policies pushed through by the Yeltsin regime….
          ….great powers will tend to have their forms of exceptionalism: in fact the United States has long acted as a model in that regard.;;
          …..exceptionalist adventurism can be expensive to uphold in the face of material reality: something which applies to all great powers, not least, Putin’s Russia. This is where we should put Chaadaev’s admonition within the full context of his, and our own times. Russia remains a power with a retrograde political and economic system which does not deliver for its people. And even if Putin might gain a pyrrhic victory in Ukraine, his inability to reform and grasp the dynamic potential of Russian society provides a parallel to the stagnant reign of Nicolas I. And that reign, we all know, ended in catastrophe and humiliation on the Crimean peninsula. History may not repeat itself in the future; but it might certainly come to rhyme.

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