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  1. Interesting, but narrowly focussed.

    In 2014 some 30% of voters split their votes, i.e. their candidate vote went to a different party than their party vote. As is the case with ‘swing’ the net result is derived from large and varied movements in all directions. So it is quite possible for leftish or soft-Labour voters to go Ron for the electorate and Labour for party, especially if the resistance to NZF is as you describe.

    And if that sort of thing were to happen more widely NZF’s party vote could fall on the day. Of course elsewhere the opposite could be happening. I gather Winston is campaigning strongly on local issues in safe National seats, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there he gains party vote and strengthens National MPs at electorate level.

    But vote-splittings very hard to poll for. I canvassed a voter recently whose reason for not voting Paul Eagle in Rongotai was because he’s been such a good leftish Councillor and Deputy Mayor, and she didn’t want to lose him from there.

    And what might happen in Clutha Southland if NZF can find a well-liked local candidate who is disgusted with his (former) party’s behaviour?

  2. Ron has had good following but NZ First has a habit of switching horses as has Ron Mark.
    The growing Green Vote in Wairarapa is an important signal to those who would intensify dairy, stuff the ecology with dams and irrigations, see further pollution of the ground water and rivers as well as promote commercial cropping with round up ready system that are toxic to the environment and the people who consume the crops directly or indirectly.

    National are doing their divide and rule with misinformation trick again.

    1. Good for Ron,

      NZ First has some of the best Environmental policies today for instance at a election meeting in Helensville on the week past NZ First,labour and Green Party candidates were asked if they support the reuse of the local rail that passes through Helensville rather than have more busses on the roads for public transport, and of three parties mentioned only Greens said they support more busses???

      NZ First stated they will open up the rail for public transport to lower the amount of busses.

      Labour also supported rail but you now see that NZ First are more Green than the Green Party.

      They may do very well in the regions.

      https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/07/24/disuse-of-rail-line-a-bloody-shambles-say-locals-in-auckland-growth-area-ptua/

      QUOTE;
      “Helen Peterson representing New Zealand First, said her party’s policy is to support rail and that train services to Huapai should be part of an integrated network of buses and trains. “People prefer trains”, she reflected, and they also have clear access benefits for those on bikes or with disabilities.
      The Labour Party is Kurt Taogaga, who said from his time growing up in Helensville he knows it’s a ‘public transport sinkhole’. He said he supports diesel rail services in the short term and that Labour wants to bring forward the development of a North Western Busway.
      The Green Party’s Hayley Holt said her party support more buses, more frequently along a North Western busway which could eventually be a light rail system.”

  3. Vote splitting is pretty much pointless other than for the purpose of removing bogus micro parties (ACT, UF) that are essentially creatures of their major party ‘owner’ and exist specifically to create overhangs and distort the proportionality of Parliament in favour of their major party ‘owner’. Some might argue that the MP also falls into this category. This situation doesn’t apply in Wairarapa and Ron Mark will be an MP whatever happens there (sadly, in my opinion).

    There may also be cases where the sitting member is so awful and has a low list placing where you might split vote in order to get them out of parliament altogether. I think these cases would be pretty rare.

    It’s worth thinking about introducing preferential voting for the electorate vote so as to give the voter a little more flexibility to deal with these situations. So if I was a Green voter in Ohariu who (quite properly) detested Peter Dunne, my first preference electorate vote would be for the Green candidate and my second choice the Labour candidate and my 3rd choice for the NZF candidate. I would not rank Peter Dunne at all. This would have all the benefits of split voting (in terms of a possible removal of Dunne) without generating the feelings of betrayal of your own party that come with split voting,

    1. “Vote splitting is pretty much pointless other than for the purpose of removing bogus micro parties (ACT, UF) that are essentially creatures of their major party ‘owner’ and exist specifically to create overhangs and distort the proportionality of Parliament in favour of their major party ‘owner’. Some might argue that the MP also falls into this category. This situation doesn’t apply in Wairarapa and Ron Mark will be an MP whatever happens there (sadly, in my opinion).”

      Exactly. Whether National or NZ First wins Wairarapa will make no difference to the number of MPs either party will have. Even if NZ First was part of a potential left coalition, withdrawing the Labour and Greens candidates in Wairarapa would not help such a coalition increase its total yield of seats. Besides, NZ First’s recent dog-whistling to the Māori-bashing vote makes it clear it isn’t a left party, and I see no reason Labour or the Greens should do anything to help NZ First score a hollow propaganda victory over National.

  4. Being a Carterton ‘old GRRL’ from way back – if I lived in the Wairarapa I would most definitely give Ron Mark my electorate vote.

    WHY?

    Because, in my considered opinion, Ron Mark has been the stand out MP across the House, in opposing the pro-corporate ‘Supercity’ agenda.

    Thanks largely to Ron Marks, IMO, the proposed Wellington ‘Supercity’ was stopped.

    Ron Marks, IMO, is an extremely effective MP, who has not been given the credit he deserves.

    Fair’s fair.

    I believe in giving credit where it’s due.

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption campaigner’

    2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

    (Exposing the $1.6 BILLION Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM. )

    1. 100% Penny I saw that Ron stood out there n the Supercity issue.

      We in HB had one National member as a Mayor of Hastings during the last round of voting for amalgamation and the other two leaders of HBRC and Napier city were against the merger but the national guy (Mayor of hastings, Lawrence Yule) was 100% for the amalgamation but he was voted down.

      He now is running in local Elections as a national hopeful MP.

      Better we know the enemy firstly is the best policy.

    2. Full credit to Mark fighting for local democracy and responsibility.

      Resilience and local community will give Carterton a chance to develop something locally based, cooperatively organised without failed CCOs and corporate take over.

      Country girls are the nicest.

  5. Ron Marks is an under rated politican and community person, he has come a long way from a rugged upbringing, and the NZ Media are consistently trying to paint him in a bad light ?

  6. an NZ First win there counts for nothing if Winston goes with the natboys.

    1. Somehow I doubt it after Shipley shafted him after the first MMP Election ?

  7. Ron can most definitely win wairarapa, Alistair Scott lacks engagement and localness, which Ron has in spades. Look forward to Election Day and see another Black and White piece of the puzzle on the Map.

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