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  1. If we can circumvent the foreign buyers bogey then there’s probably some way of circumventing this mess, too.

    Are we ‘allowed’ to hire them as workers – and let them ‘telecommute’ so they have employment, income, and gain skills? Provide the equipment, too, if we must. (With an offer to the envious of Papua-New Guinea to provide similar training.)

    Can anyone supply them with international passports, or similar to those issued to some of the Olympics competitors, so they can actually leave and not be tied to any state? (There are many people who are stateless and migratory without being poverty-stricken.)

    More to the point: did she talk with the Opposition people? When Turnbull and his “””Liberal””” government is replaced – will those who follow be more inclined to help those stuck in a fracas not of their making? Including the Lost and Damned on Christmas Island.

    Did she ask also what the long-term plan is for joint participation in measures to deal with the international two- and three- tier economic situations that are causing so many people to wage war on their fellows and send people into desperate flight? (If Ms Clarke would like to get together with the Elders on this matter before the tea goes cold?)

    Personally, I hope this episode marks the time when we look appraisingly at our association with Australia and make some overdue corrections. If Mr Peters would be so kind?

  2. The world population is at 7.6 billion. 70 million added so far tis year, 150 000 so far today. Net increase not births.
    Most of this population , and most of the increase is in poor countries with repressive governments, ripped off their resources by rich less densely populated countries esp. U S A.
    Almost all of them individually would be far better off if they could find a way to become New Zealand or Australian citizens, even at the risk of having ti live for a time in a car. Millions, probably billions are in desperate situations.
    It would be real friendly and humanitarian to forestall the need for any of them to risk leaky overcrowded coffin ships by putting on free air travel, or pas anger ships to all those wishing to improve their lives by becoming New Zealand or Australian citizens, so they didn’t have to risk their lives.
    We have to be very grateful that we don’t have to make or implement the decisions about how many we should help, how many we can help without all entering the same overcrowded predicament they are in, and what to do to limit the numbers arriving.
    Can we provide a solution that meets the needs and aspirations of those millions of disadvantaged people , without destroying the lives of the present populations by accepting numbers of immigrants so large that our average living standard drops that from which they are trying to escape?
    I’m glad it isn’t my responsibility to decide.
    D J S

  3. I was disappointed that Jacinda didn’t come out stronger in condemning Oz treatment of the Manus Island refugees.

    I then had the thought if she went directly to PNGan negotiated taking the refugees from then, I wouldn’t put it past Australia to come down heavily on the ability of NZders to travel to Australia to live and work…..

    I didn’t realize that PNG would likely ring Canberra and ask their permission to release the refugees……….

    I think she has to pick her battles…….

  4. It does not start or end with Manus Island.

    Why is there hardly any reporting about the Rohingya being driven out of Myanmar, why is there hardly any reporting about the misery in many other places on earth here in New Zealand?

    Human beings are quite capable of selective perception and selective thinking, no matter what race, nationality, religion or culture, New Zealanders are capable of it en masse, just like Jacinda as PM.

    That is why so many can focus on the nice commercials they get bombarded with, book a holiday in a tropical island, and let the poor there serve them nice cocktail drinks and ice cream, and have no scruples about paying low prices for lowly paid servants there.

    That is why people can buy gadgets like i-phones and so forth, made by slave labour in China or elsewhere, and they will also not bother thinking about the huge levels of pollution that is the price to pay there.

    That is why nobody does much about climate change and CO2 and other climate changing emissions, they carry on driving their cars every day, and also continue buying millions of plastic bags daily.

    That is why nobody really cares, as it is ME first, it is MY interests, MY space and MY house, MY car, MY this and that and the other, stuff the rest.

    The same enabled many Germans and Austrians and some others in Europe in the 1930s to turn the other way, and let that leader with a loud voice, Adolf was his name, go about and do what he and his troops and followers did.

    They rather got on with daily life, as if nothing much else was to worry about, life was not that bad for those not persecuted, and not bombed towards the end.

    Humanity is corrupt, and remains corrupt, New Zealanders are just humans or less so humans, like the rest.

  5. Jacinda has been working hard and needs a brake. The Xmas period will no doubt revive her …

    Firstly, I feel Malcolm Turnbull has done a number on her with his pseudo, sycophant rhetoric wrapped in demeaning undertones design to aggrandize himself (Malcolm Turnbull) and Australia … while belittling New Zealand.

    Let’s not forget Australia has a huge housing bubble, tent cities and a large hidden underclass, not to mention questionable forgiven policies.

    Secondly, the ‘Speaker of the House’ fiasco was plain embarrassing and I’d be whipping the whips. Jacinda obviously needs some down time and perhaps a couple of quarter ponder combos.

    Saying that, she is the leader and the time has come for her to walk in that authority and demand her caucus are more prepared. She’s good at delegating but needs to convey a sense of strong expectations. This fiasco was uninspiring for new MP’s.

    1. What could she do? If she had ruffled feathers, the MSM would have had a feast at destroying her, as bing ‘irresponsible’ or so. She is faced with a big neigh bour, the ANZAC BS artists, that go on about heritage and so, and hold us to ransom, same as the British colonialists did. The only way is to break free from both, that though may come with another big risk. So Jacinda knew, this was nothing more than a damned ‘courtesy visit’ to a kind of old relative, nothing more or less. The rest of history will be written by what she does for future years on other stages

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