AntiVaxxers are lying to you – the truth about excess deaths and mortality from Covid Vaccines
The AntiVaxxers, for the first time in their entire lives, felt alienated and excluded during Covid in a way that has warped them and victimised them and mutilated their sense of reason to justify holding on to their revenge driven grievance.
They are constantly online and on Reality Check Radio and in their feral chat rooms fantasising about Nuremberg like trials that will end in then lynching of Jacinda and her front Cabinet on the steps of Parliament.
They hiss and spit things like ‘vaccine excess mortality’ rates as if they are fucking scientists with a world of knowledge on vaccines and death.
So what do the facts tell us about ‘excess mortality rates’ after the Covid vaccine was released?
The truth about NZ’s death rate that the Covid Commission will hear
Today, incorrect claims about ‘excess deaths in New Zealand’ are becoming more common as we approach phase two of the Covid-19 Royal Commission of Inquiry, and these claims seem to have either forgotten the centuries-old basic mathematical steps, or are ignoring them.
So for those who have heard claims of mass death and thought ‘that can’t be correct’, you’re right to be sceptical – the claims are demonstrably false.
When working out the number of people expected to die, the number of living people is important. In general, more living people means more people who can die. So, for centuries, death rates have been used as a ‘per capita’ measure to check if more people are dying given the number of people that are living in a region.
Incorrect claims of 10,000 or more excess deaths in New Zealand can be made by completely ignoring death rates and how the living population has changed, instead comparing raw death counts to a time in the past when there were fewer people.
Sometimes false claims about excess death state that official data sources, like those collated by the OECD, are used. Importantly, sources like the OECD have clear instructions alongside the data which ask users to pay attention to the change in living people when interpreting the death numbers.
But is not only the total number of people that is important. The age of those people matters as well, because old people are more likely to die than young people. From late childhood, death rates approximately double for each decade older people get. So death rates by age are used to measure the number of people of each age that are dying.
Incorrect claims of several thousand excess mortality are made by ignoring how much older the population has gotten, and the deaths that would naturally be expected from more living old people.
And New Zealand has seen big changes in ages, with 23 percent more living people aged 65-plus now than there were in 2017, as the children of the ‘£10 Pom’ migration era reach old age. To compare like with like, a common way is to take all the age specific death rates and compare them if there were the same number of people of each age. That’s called age standardisation.
Finally, if you just compare one year against another you may know one is higher, or one is lower, but you don’t know which one is normal, so age-standardised death rates are compared to the historical trend. Because the historical trend is what has been normal.
Wild claims of hundreds or thousands of percent excess can be made by measuring the change back to normal from the mortality low point of 2020 – the year people stayed home for longer than virus infectious periods, paused at the border for longer than virus infectious periods, and eliminated many viruses from the community, accompanied by record drops in death rates.
Among professions like actuaries, it is normal practice to match rates by age, match population, and pay attention to the historical trend. (You don’t have to be an actuary to do this. Anyone can download the data from StatsNZ Infoshare into an Excel spreadsheet and work it our yourself.)
If people do those basic steps, New Zealand’s mortality story is lower mortality when closed up, a reopening bounce-back, and slightly below expected for the overall Covid period.
…the Antivaxxers have only grievance in their bitter hearts and want to punish the rest of us for making them feel alienated.
This isn’t about facts and science, it’s about revenge.
That’s what these bullshit inquiries into Covid are being driven by, angry AntiVaxxers wanting their pain to have been for something even when the facts state they are wrong!
We’ve all had friends and people we know who have made this the core feature of their identity, we all back away when they start foaming about Jacinda or the pharmaceutical industry or this Facebook clip showing a soccer player dying after vaccination.
We smile, we slowly back away and we run.
Those AntiVaxxers despise our pity and they want to hurt us for an alienation they have fostered and they have fed.
This is why NZF will stay over 5%.
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The good thing about the truth is that it eventually finds its way through regardless of what Govt and its media mouthpieces say and do. As for Winston, just a user, uses issues to serve himself over and above the issues he chooses to use.
Speaking of the truth National caught out yet again…
https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/1f9jfrq/shane_retis_office_admits_chart_used_to_justify/
I notice that Van Velden is going to sit on the report for the next 18 months because ant and the ferrals dont want it released because it will clearly show we had perhaps the best response in the world .She is going to wait till the rigged propaganda lynch mob one comes out .
Some say some died from other causes because hospital treatments and various scheduled medical procedures were shelved to keep the beds free for expected covid patients.
yes my dog died of cancer because the local farmers would not get vaccinated and all the vets caught covid each time they went out to a farm so they could not treat the dog as they had no one at the clinic .
Anti-vaxxers have been spreading lies and distortions from the get go.
In fact, they’ve been doing that for many decades.
See Jonzie Krauts distortion post for evidence.
Yes they have thats why we still have measels and chicken pox and other child hood diseases becaus one parent does not get their kid vaccinated and sends them to school sick to spread it around .
The report must be 90% positive or she would have released it asap if it fitted her ferral opinion and the opinion of the river of filth party and their rich owners .
The Covid response was the best we could do for an event we had next to no recent experience of.
But with vax and masks 3 million people felt confident they could recover at home.
If this did not happen 3 million people would have overwhelmed the hospitals with flu symptoms.
Covid is political because National became insanely jealous of Aderns popularity especially world wide. Labour humiliated National at the 2020 election which sowed the seeds for the right wing 2023 revenge .
Their hate was increased when Ardern walked away so the right could not beat her in 2023.
So Millions of White people voted for the Covid Queen in 2020 yet three years later said f##k off Labour
we want our right wing minority bashing Gov’t back.
Politics can be a dirty, selfish spiteful business.
But it always is.
There is a noticeable correlation between anti-vaxers anti – 5G, anti 1080 anti-anything’ used by the likes of Sue Grey and others to keep themselves in the public eye. What are you again what have you got–James Dean Rebel Without a Cause.
It is a waste of education money to take people beyond the reading riting and rithmetic level that can be reached by 10 or so. After that the youngsters could go into an apprenticeship for life, some reasonable part-time work with time off for education in something that they can do – some skill.
Filling people’s heads with heady talk about science is too much in this world of notions. In the USA children start arguing with their teachers; everywhere teachers think they know all the truth and there isn’t time set aside for talking and discussing what they are learning and how it is applied in everyday life. Are there other ways etc?
Theories is what we are taught – not much practical stuff, and we are unprepared for how to think, understand, cope with situations where we have to bow to greater knowledge as in covid vaccinations and plague effects. Putting ourselves and our fears aside for assessing what is happening and considering the greater good and others, general public, is hard when self is all. Is this when a new war would start in the near past? Under democracy suddenly every ordinary person becomes an individual temple of wisdom.