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  1. I know a family with stepchildren, who keep in touch with the other parts of their family, ie Mother who is fervent Maori. The father is perhaps part Pacific. He has his teenage children living with him but who also visit other family, keeping family ties. One daughter will not vaccinate because her mother does not approve. But the rest of the family who can, have done so. So how does that family deal with the daughter when she returns from a visit? Perhaps she is a carrier and can affect them all.

    The inability of people to accept the parts of the modern world like Netflix, air transport, cellphones, social media, and not see that vaccinations are just another relatively modern advance is a coward’s response. Few people cannot bodily cope with the injected virus in the vax. The rest who don’t want to front up can have a separate island for them as has been done in the past. A quarantine island like at Christchurch or Wellington. Drop in supplies and they can treat each other as their caring concern for others. They could all learn skills while they live in isolation, preferably to do with horticulture, the arts, and nursing.

      1. Very true. No virus, no anything like that at all.
        https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-how-vaccine-works#ingredients

        From that link:
        Summary of ingredients
        The Pfizer vaccine contains:

        – messenger RNA encoding SARS-CoV-2 spike protein
        – lipid nanoparticle – a stabilised fat-based bubble to protect and carry the mRNA into our cells
        – salt buffers – to maintain the pH of the vaccine
        – sucrose – to protect the vaccine while in storage.

        What the Pfizer vaccine does not contain
        The Pfizer vaccine does not contain:

        animal products
        antibiotics
        blood products
        DNA
        egg proteins
        fetal material
        gluten
        microchips
        pork products
        preservatives
        soy
        latex (the vial stopper is made with synthetic rubber – bromobutyl).

    1. Thing is you are all going to get it anyway just less severe if vaxxed for the most part just a case of when. So there is absolutely no reason to fear the unvaxxed, its actually the vaxxed which will be the hidden carriers go and have a read of the latest UK vaccine monitoring report.

      1. 5100 unvaccinated dead from 5500 deaths in a week in the U.K. and you say the vaccinated are the issue? Have I got a psychiatrist appointment for you.

  2. Maybe the problem is not vaxxed vs unvaxxed, but the target of 90%. Does it really matter that much if 83% or 90%? Some months ago it was 70% – yes yes Delta if so much more virulent etc but it’s less deadly too. Even with 100% vaxxed ala Gibraltar there will be heaps of breakthrough. We need early home treatment, with rapid testing available to everyone. The problem is the false sense of security and hope 90% gives, the lockdowns will come back just like in Israel. This government’s focus on vaccine as our Jesus who will save us is a fools paradise with never ending booster shots and ADE to boot. Treatment has advanced in the last 18months but we are not discussing it at all for fear it might stop a few taking the vaccine. That’s just stupid and letting government off the hook- they just sit back and watch the vaxxed vs unvaxxed fight it out instead or having a plan to cope.

    1. Stan, I feel at this time, our focus should be on the vaccination sprint. We’re not letting govt off the hook. We’re putting every effort into preparing our defences as a nation to go go headlong into the battlefield that is covid delta. Hold. We’re not fighting eachother. It is fear and fatigue. The next steps will be upon us soon enough. Hold the line

  3. Okay, so the alternative is no vaccination certificates and let the vaccinated and unvaccinated mingle. That’s so we are united as a country under your plan John? I’ll go with Jacinda on this one thanks.

  4. Is it an indictment on our public education system that everyone doesn’t have understanding of how vaccines work? Should that have specifically been in a science curriculum which every kid in school should have been exposed to?

    Or rather than that specifically, should we have approaches which develop in people tolerance, resilience, empathy and respect for experts, e.g. scientists. Along with critical discernment of course. Some of the lunacy around vaccines is scarcely unbelievable.

    Then again the limited part of their lives our young spend in schools suggests that that shitty attitudes and ignorance we’re all suffering from is fostered in homes and the big wide world.

    1. Real empathy can’t be taught, you’re either born with it in spades or less, or not. Shallow/fake empathy can be taught, but it’s relatively ineffective

  5. Good post.
    Let no one forget that we are in this position because the govt has given the vaxxed a massive reason to hate the unvaxxed especially if Dhbs stall out sub 90 percent.
    That target has driven a bloody great wedge into society, over the NZ population we are potentially talking about a few hundred thousand people. Alienating that many people is going to get very ugly indeed.

    1. As one of the alienated Anti-vaxers Cricklewood, your post is right on. I have only contempt for the obvious hatred of many of the vaxed. It doesnt intimidate me however. It instead motivates me to put the anti-vax message out there. I will distribute pamphlets, attend meetings, go to protests etc etc. The amusing thing however is that I ,after exhaustive scientific research, have come to the conclusion that the unvaxed have to fear more from the vaxed, because they leach their toxic jab on others around them, both vaxed and unvaxed I have seen first hand the the dire side efects from vaxxed peoples shedding. So I am equally keen to avoid any close contact with you !!!

      1. The side effects of not getting a jab can be a wooden box and a 6ft hole .
        We had a family gathering of full vaxed people resently and no one was shedding and none were attracted to magnets and no extra limbs had grown ..
        I cannot wait for the passport to appear so that I can sit on the bus or plane or go to the cinema knowing that the person beside me is not potentially going to kill me .

      2. Please share your exhaustive scientific research so we can all be safer and enlighten me on what shedding of vaccine looks like as I have been vaxed and dont what to infect the unvaccinated.

  6. The side effects of not getting a jab can be a wooden box and a 6ft hole .
    We had a family gathering of full vaxed people resently and no one was shedding and none were attracted to magnets and no extra limbs had grown ..
    I cannot wait for the passport to appear so that I can sit on the bus or plane or go to the cinema knowing that the person beside me is not potentially going to kill me .

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