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  1. Trying to organise and make those not in the ‘hard right’ cohesive is like herding cats ,,,,

    In the meantime the message (and truth), that Act politics want to remove our (your) state pension, our free public health system, public education etc ,,, needs to be said more.

    People do not know what they are supporting with Act ,,, as they put on a good act to hide their true Atlas (shrugged) intentions.

    1. We can’t reason with irrational and hysterial moral absolutists. Yknow that Maori are poor so solution? Jail and sterilisation. You can’t reason with people who believe the solution to poverty is to mount an all out invasion on gangs.

      What the left can do is talk to them in a way they will understand which is to make there wallets fatter.

  2. War
    Forget everything else.
    It will be this issue that will either bring the Maori Party, the Greens and Labour together or make them fly far apart.

    No Peace No Justice
    Without peace there is no justice, not in the world not here.
    War is the biggest decision a government or a people can ever make. Currently this decision is being made for us by others, not by us.

    The Maori Party have the best most thought out policy position on this. The Greens and Labour need to come around to agreeing with the Maori Party; that New Zealand ditch all our military and intelligence ties and agreements with all foreign military powers to chart a truly independent foreign policy.

    When I said forget everything else. I meant war affects everything else. Social justice, civil rights, the economy, the environment, trade, you name it.
    War is the touchstone issue.
    If the three main Left parties cannot agree to agree on this issue, they can never have any meaningful agreement on anything else either. War will always be the stumbling block. At the first outbreak of war they will fly apart.

    war is the pressing issue of our time.

    What does Labour/Greens/Māori Party do next?

    A ‘Rebuilding Aotearoa New Zealand’ weekend that brings forward the best minds in NZ to give their ideas on how to move forward must have Peace and neutrality as an agenda item to be decided, War or peace, If a Rebuilding New Zealand Weekend can’t decide on this issue, it won’t on anything else either. Labour which is committed to AUKUS will not be the ones to call such a meeting. So it is up to Greens and the Maori Party to call it and invite Labour to attend.

    1. No. New Zealand can not intervene militarily for a wide variety of reasons so vast its not worth going into. If New Zealand was to intervene militarily it would have been in the 90’s sending small teams of specialised U.N. peacekeepers could well have had a high chance of preventing conflict between Palestine and Isreal there are conventions in the U.N. charter that allow for conventional militarily assaults. But if we intervene militarily now we will undoubtedly kill the same or more people than just doing nothing. So we should do nothing and let them kill each other.

      1. Hi Sam,

        Do you agree with my contention that the issue of war is the deciding issue of our time and that this issue could be a vote winner, for the Left?

        We know from our history the issue of nuclear weapons (and nuclear war generally), forced a snap election and a landslide electoral win for the Lange Labour Party, against the pro-war, pro-nuclear Muldoon National government.

        “No. New Zealand can not intervene militarily…..”

        Unfortunately we are intervening militarily.
        New Zealand is currently intervening in the Red Sea conflict.

        Would you agree with me, that the government have no mandate to involve us in this dispute?

        With growing threat of bloody conflict in the Pacific, involving China (our biggest trade partner), the US and Australia. Do you agree with me that it would be in our nation’s best interest to stay out of it?

        1. I didn’t mean get rid of the NZDF. I did mean that New Zealand should not intervene in the domestic affairs of other nations.

        2. It’s a kind of yes and a kind of a no. For example we don’t intervene in the genocidal tendencies of Indonesians vs West Papua. Hell I still holiday in Bali. I think that what you want to know is that the point of intervention for New Zealand was when West Papua tried to vote on independence we should have sent a relatively small contingent of kiwi soilders to over sea the vote but we still would have had to have a full battalion or two on stand bye just Incase. There are reasons to intervene militarily but economics is one of the weakest arguments for war.

          Another example would be that we should have every right to intervene to prevent nuclear super powers coming to blows and we have to agree that any nation that fires a nuclear weapon that we go 100% at sending them back to the stone age.

          But do I think that Luxon is the guy to lead such operations hell no.

          I think that if intervening kills more people than it would if we had not intervened then we should do nothing.

          But if intervening saves more people than it would have done doing nothing then we intervene.

  3. I can kind of see where Labour is coming from that if it’s going to harm the economy then they won’t do it. Let’s say if vaccinating the whole country harmed the economy then Labour wouldn’t have done it but if vaccination improved the economy then they did do it.

    In the case of government interventions it’s not clear that bloating the public services would prevent anything. Organising and protesting is seen as the wrong thing to do. Working class have been convinced that union bosses are corrupt individuals and driving all of this home are trans rights. Yknow if promoting and enforcing trans rights doesn’t hurt the economy then let’s do that.

    Overall small specialised teams of expert can intervene to prevent a crises from getting away on us but it’s not clear that a large bureaucracy can prevent it.

    For example a few army field hospitals like the ones John Key sold off with the argument we have to shift spending from the back to the front office to “save” money would have been crucial in the early stages of corona we could have isolated and treated anyone, anywhere in New Zealand with in 12 hours and not risked the whole public health system to the point that the whole elected surgery wait list had to be frozen for months.

    That’s the irrational fear of a large government. Attacking the left is to attack the organised approach to preventing crisis which has already undermined the bureaucracy then you get that fat bloated government staffed with overweight and childless or single bureaucrats a large chunck I would guess watch trans porn. Okay I don’t know that last bit it’s just a gut feeling.

    But it’s a massive theme. Schools need lunch programes. Pools. Gyms and equipment. Wood work and vastly vastly improved metal works and computer science labs. NZDF capabilities need to be vastly, vastly improved. Health, welfare. Back to work programes. Yknow real organisation.

  4. The Opportunities Party are rising in the polls. Even if they are not in Parliament, there is clearly a disaffected middle part of the spectrum who don’t trust the Parliamentary parties to do any good.

    T.O.P. offered a Land Value Tax in exchange for the first $15,000 of your income being tax free; legalization of cannabis and steps to a universal income.

    Might not be perfect but it was far better than what Hipkins offered.

  5. Agree that Labour/National needs to listen to academics of all colours, after all why do we promote academia when we never use them for betterment of this country;

    Chloe has Jacinda’s charm and ability to communicate, she needs a co-leader that focus solely on
    green/environment matters; and that will be a team to watch; The current co-lead should move to the Maori party.

    Maori party- they will never amount to much as they stand for separatism. Asking them to curb that tendency to work for betterment of all will not fit their narrative. Hence will remain a fringe party.

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