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  1. Liberals are incapable of doing anything. The only real revolution in the ‘Arab spring’ was against the filth who run Bahrain, which was crushed with plenty of help from their zionist/American allies. The CIA couldn’t get enough liberal losers out to protest against the democratically elected government of Syria, so they sent takfiri headchoppers instead.

  2. I think 99% of the population would take anyone in the current line of succession over the current crop of politicians in a heartbeat.

    1. That may be true but the people will, if in open rebellion not need leaders. They will be tearing down the old. Once the rage subsides the new leaders will emerge.

      1. It should be commen knowledge that Afghanikraine is a highly orchestrated conflict.

        Many young politicians, U.S. Presidents and vice Presidents among them often use their influence over a long list of corporations and bureaucracies.

        Democracy is powerful but it is hopelessly bureaucratic and massive in size and so corporations take advantage of this.

        And so corporations use their resources to make change in the areas where democracy has the least amount of presence which of course is the third world.

        For the longest time a lack of regulation and controll coupled with free trade gives rise to almost unlimited corporate growth in western areas where Apple and even Lockheed Martin have no choice but to use blood diamonds and other trade sanctioned mining operations in the iPhone’s and F35 lighting just to name two. Pump out cheap products and undermine there western competitors.

        At the same time corporations have assumed power usually reserved for government. They’ve started building infrastructure and providing basic services and even providing security.

        And so we see the rise of corporate, fuedal kingdoms.

        Corporations will always fight liberal democracy particularly when taxation plus representation is established in the third world, sowing chaos. While corporations do all the work of building up civilisation in the third world, why democracy traps all the benefits?

        Corporations fill some of the largest private militaries and have massive control over what everyone says and does. Plus 99% of the population have a lot of legitimate greivances against the 1%.

        The lower classes pay way to much taxes and receive very little in return and lack representation in government. Not so for corporations.

        And so there will always be a lot of anti Republicanism or anti monarchy sentiment it’s just there will not be enough industrial might to do anything about it.

      2. Probably out of the chest like the things in the film Alien. The new leaders will be unlikely to be better than the old, just with wilder ideas and determination to stay on top.

  3. Is that the same heroic Zelensky whose troops purposely shelled their own soldiers in a Russian prisoner of war camp so they and every other captive Ukrainian soldier would keep their mouths shut.

  4. “Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.” Denis Diderot (1713-1784) said it before Byron was born

    1. Thanks RobbieWgtn,

      I have always believed the quote was Byron’s – it certainly sounds like him!

      But, no, you are quite correct, it was Diderot – who sounds equally roguish.

  5. Beware of the new, if not lucky or extremely careful, it will be as bad or worse than the old.
    If one starts off with a desired goal, and it is agreed to by most, then work out the best way to achieve it using methods understood and people-oriented – I think that would cut through a lot of discussion which would not be helpful to that end. It seems that there are too many attempting to get degrees from university who will show us the holy way. I would rather have discussions about Baldrick’s or others’, cunning plans and talk them through as an experiment to see how they would be achieved. Prioritise, get people working a few hours each day.

  6. It’s easy to start revolutions but less easy to stop them.

    The French found that with their revolution: Chopping off a few heads seemed a good idea initially, but the chopping didn’t stop and pretty soon someone was denouncing YOU and it was your turn to face Madame la Guillotine. The Russians thought shooting the Czar was a fair plan, but it wasn’t long before the ‘rough men’ took over and the body count started piling up and in the end nobody was safe.

    History is littered with such examples. Enthusiastic young men see the unfairness in life and without thinking further, seek to revolt in order to make a better society. Unfortunately, they don’t think through the details of what they intend to replace the existing order with and finish up with something far worse than whatever came before.

  7. Chris, I am not totally sure about your point here. Cant say i have lusted for blood and iron and never will.

    What I can say is that most NZers want a government who moves us closer and closer to equality and one that listens to us. Our goal must always be thorough debate, greater understanding resulting in a relatively shared vision.

    We dont need a NZ spring or violence, we just need a lot of honest talking and active listening. None of which is occurring at the moment. People have to leave behind their politics, their grievances and bias and sit down and tackle the pressing and practical issues with honesty and focus.

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