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  1. I just called my local Pak n Save and asked if they have the facial recognition. They said not yet but all Pak n Save stores will be getting them including them.

    1. covid is pa. If that’s Pak’n’ Save Petone, they’re the ones who wanted to take my finger prints at the checkout. Pak’n’ Save Kilbirnie, have such deafeningly loud music/ announcements that I’ve worn headphones, before giving up on that shop altogether. A local Countdown now has a weekly quiet afternoon period, with nicely dimmed lights, for “ sensitive persons”, which suggests they know damn well that their sensory assaults can be counterproductive – for them.

      Another NWS offended many customers by blaring announcements telling them to watch out that their kiddies didn’t fall out of the trolleys, seemingly assuming that their customers are all dimwits.

  2. How is it even legal for Foodstuffs to be able to trial this tech. It shouldn’t be.

  3. A local oddball transgender woman I know well, was wrongly accused of shoplifting in a local supermarket. A solicitor neighbour sorted it. Along the track, a mall security guard who had not been present at the time, accosted this person, insisted that they were “ banned”, and asked why they wore women’s clothing. So much for security guards. The lawyer sorted that too, but not everybody has helpful lawyer neighbours.

    Back in cheque days, Pak’n’Save introduced fingerprinting, to combat dodgy cheques. They asked to fingerprint me, publicly, at the checkout, it was quite unpleasant. I spoke with the manager and declined to be fingerprinted.

    The cashless society which the banks want, will exacerbate all of these issues.

  4. There are already cameras in supermarkets to monitor public servants and thieves. Supermarkets should concentrate on building employment opportunities and optimizing the shopping experience for the 99.9%, there must be a compromise here.

    1. ‘Public servants’? If only we had supermarkets that were actually run in the interests of the people of New Zealand.

      I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but being ripped off- the sole goal of every supermarket in NZ- is not exactly optimizing the experience for any human being in New Zealand.

  5. I thought self-scanning checkouts were due to avaricious supermarket owners trying to get their customers to subsidise them by doing even more of the work. I now choose Mitre 20 rather than Bunnings for certain things because Mitre 10 have a proper checkout manned by persons paid to do so and they are mighty helpful at a personal level for product challenged people like me.

    The nearest NWS has a traditional manned checkout, but Countdown try to push people into self-scanning. It’s hard on the mainly young workers having to engage with thieving and bullying customers, but they’re the ones whose jobs and income are directly under threat from facial recognition technology, and of course the data will be mined and sold on if there’s a quick buck to be made from it. The privacy ramifications are massive.

  6. I have certainly witnessed brazen shoplifting at a supermarket (as in some well-dressed teens having a meal in the isle while pretending to shop). pointed it out and was just smirked at by the staff. No security even called. Why the hell should I pay their prices while others don’t?

    Someone might be able to tell me why security guards supposedly can’t do anything in a supermarket, or mall, but some harmless ‘stripper’ runs across a rugby field, and they can spear tackle them and basically assault them. Is that some sort of trespass issue or something?

    1. wheel I used to frequent a small cafe in the Wellington CBD where the diminutive Asian owners told me that college boys come in after school and help themselves to cool drinks and walk out again without paying, and there’s nothing they can do about it.

      1. Well it absolutely sucks that those cafe owners would have to deal with that. I found the scale of an outfit like Foodstuffs gives me a different expectation of their response. Clearly that looks unrealistic.

    2. It’s hardly the fault of security guards, sir. We all know that particular busted ‘escort’ would have been very angry had she _not_ been arrested and the subject of news stories as a result. There was no possibility of consequences unless she’d popped a fake boob. And the security guards involved knew that they’d be supported by the owners of the venue, and the media broadcasting from there that were disrupted.

      A security guard in a supermarket or mall isn’t going to do that. They’ve already been told by their employer, and the management at the place they’re contracted to, that they won’t be supported and will likely be fired if they do get hands on. If they were to detain someone, the cops won’t come and even if they do come and arrest a thief and the thief is charged, they won’t be paid for their time attending court even if they haven’t already been fired.

      And you shouldn’t blame the cops. I know good cops who’d be happy to go a lot harder than they’re allowed to do against the ‘enemies of society’ by the current police policy, as long as it’s in accordance with decent human morality of course. The same guys volunteer helping kids on the margin, coaching sports teams and the like.

      It’s not that hard to define the problem. The deliberate creation of economic and social circumstances that encourage people to be broken from their roots, disconnected from their parents and cousins and their wider tribe, even their own children and spouses.

      The weirdos of the fake ‘left’-neoliberal wing of the neoliberal uniparty, Labour and the Greens, offer some kind of totally disconnected brotherhood of m̶a̶n̶ persons. An interesting theory, but it has never been tried and seems unlikely to work. The weirdos of the fake ‘right’ wing of the neoliberal uniparty, National and Act, suggest a ‘classical liberal’ solution of nihilistic individualism will work better. Now that was tried in Britain back in the Victorian era that they so admire, the results of that libertarian experiment were the victims of Jack the Ripper.

      I like what the Maori Party is doing. If you’re mad about the fact that they’re working to advance their people, well, you got a choice. You could keep whining or you could have a think about whether having less broken Maori families would in fact benefit you, whether you’re Maori or not. You could have a think about what you can do for you and yours, in the way those Maori Party fellas are doing. Talk to your mum and dad, talk to your kids, talk to your cousins, talk to your folk.

      Now, in an ideal world, all we need to do is turn back the clock to when the nasty evil neoliberals and their freakish policies were laughed at. In the long term, we can bring back mental hospitals to treat the victims of belief in neoliberalism and other dangerous mental illnesses. It might take a while, but we’ll never have a functional society without doing this.

      1. I meant any streaker ( shouldn’t have said stripper) or person sprinting on to the field not the Hamilton lady.

        I am also not interested in the underlying drivers of neo liberalism and failure to address causes. Until they start to, I don’t see why I have to pay while others help themselves. Especially the incident I saw. Two smart arse young females dressed with lots labels and not looking remotely desperate

        1. Oh, fully support you in that. There’s nothing wrong with putting avos through as granny smith’s.

  7. sod ’em I say!

    It is a US model, monetisation of capturing personal information, the initial photo is called an “enrolment” into the Foodstuffs system. Likely you will have to take off your hat or glasses for your “enrolment” or be refused admission to their poxy store. This presents problems for those that live in areas with only one supermarket.

    Research has showed that those most likely to have mistaken identities for tech reasons are darker skinned persons and darker skinned female persons in particular! WTF.

    The bottom line is if we cannot trust these fuckers regarding profiteering and $4 cans of baked beans why should they be trusted with grabbing very personal data?

  8. Time to #boycottfoodstuffs
    It’s not enough for them to harvest our data in exchange for a miserly loyalty card discount, they want your biometrics.

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