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  1. One good politician in an unbelievably woke and alienating party will make little different. Marama’s cringeworthy anti cis white male statement last year made international headlines for all the wrong reasons. So long as Marama is co leader this party is going nowhere. My money is on the ‘lived experiences’ faction of the party fu*king things up even further in 2024

    1. The Greens are more Confucius than China no one detests The Greens Defence policy more than I because if a woke as decolonials none white cia male loving joyously non-violent approach to solving climate change isn’t capable of doing it then we may as well kiss each other good-bye because a violent approach certainly won’t solve it.

      Violence is exactly what the one percent want because its an arena that they dominate. Non violent protest works from the bottom up because if protestors wear helmits then the police come back with guns. And if protestors use social media then the police come back the fiveyes network. Step by step non violence can control the outcome of an election and step by step the National Party has had to walk back there climate denialism.

      At the top end any agreement on climate must privilege New Zealand meaning landlords get tax exemptions which will have a flow on effect on the profits of the big four banks with whom we can put new taxes on. Maybe not tax all the profits but enough that the government budget can stay just above cost pressures we shouldn’t expect new taxes to be the golden bullet that solves all problems we just want the one percenters to pay the legally obligate tax liability. I think we can have a tax free threshold so we don’t have to go in on a years long odyssey to change the tax brackets. To hard. Not enough time. Better things to do.

      At least formally we want a majority of kiwis to back down on there welfare rhetoric or whatever trendy bullshit the left and right are peddling at each other. But terrorism and war with other nations isn’t our problem. Australia, U.K. and U.S can kill them easily. That’s the comparative advantage of a powerful state but they can not deal with a bunch of rage tage hippies pitching tents on parliament lawns. So step by step every kiwi has to back down to the Greens or end up with total defeat which will be unusually. The New Zealand government can kill terrorists and insurgents and strengthen democracy very easily, unlike the U.S. who creates terrorists and destroys democracy. In this case non violence isn’t a great strategy because non violence is the domain where kiwis can prevail but when you make the transition from a large non violent activist movement into powerful government positions non violence doesn’t work the same.

      Powerful political people can be sympathetic to its own people but we are not going to give aid to Hamas or ISIS pr even war mongers like Bibi Netanyahu. That’s when you need the powerful arm of the state a strong defence force to force the issue particularly when you want to trade on the international markets and even more specifically when you want a carbon trading price and other badley needed financial innovations then if non violence doesn’t work at defending New Zealands interests abroad then like I said kiss each other good bye.

  2. Great article, and agree100%. Marama did well over the election period so do not agree with iHLT comment There is a new call to arms in the left, thanks to the big loss of Labour and the rabid rats nest on the right. Labour failed and not changing. The time for Greens is now. Join up everyone!!!

  3. I agree .

    It is time The Green Party took the gloves off.

    I will be voting Chloe in the membership vote.

  4. There is a major problem for any pro-worker elements within the Green movement: the class composition of their electoral base and party bureaucracy, which has resulted in a near-total isolation from the labour movement.

    Compare this to the supporter bases of Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders. Those movements had a genuine mass base that was overwhelmingly working class, brimming with rank-and-file union members who actually know how to organise on the shop floor.

    The Green parties of the world are increasingly lead by people like Annalena Baerbock: pro-war, all-in with Wall Street types, that are recruited from the wealthier parts of the intelligentsia. Their voter base is nearly identical too, mostly consisting of liberal professionals in the wealthier electorates (to the point that the Greens generally do not campaign in working class electorates).

    As a result, even the Australian Greens — perhaps the most left-wing of the major Green parties — are still to the political right of where the main conservative parties were in the 1950’s-70’s. The idea that such a party machine would agree to the most basic and minimal of pro-worker demands (i.e. a reversal all 1980’s attacks on workers and public assets, and an immediate return to the bi-partisan Post-war Consensus) seems completely fanciful at present.

    1. There’s no symmetry in that situation. National represent the brutal arm of the state. Luxon is the one trying to eye up Maori resources they want to take over the Maori culture which is a weaker argument than say Maori trying to over take the government and sanitise pakeha history. But it didn’t just start now it’s been happening since the treaty was signed. Those who defend the maorification of New Zealand don’t have a leg to stand on and those who defend climate denial have a much weaker position.

  5. It is good to see Shaw is going.

    As for Chloe, one hopes she does well. However, I won’t get my hopes up too high until I see what she and the party plan to campaign on.

    Moreover, she will require a competent team to work with her.

    What is the chance of her getting the Unions to jump ship from Labour to the Greens?

    1. No show, working people and unions are about jobs and conditions, not CO2 levels or Ozone depletion. Also union constitutions are more democratic than the Greens party, seems the Green party have little time of respect for ” stale, white males” , which makes up a large portion of union officials.

      1. The Greens support workers getting a fairer deal.

        They also support the right for solidarity strikes to achieve that.

        As for their stance on stale, white males, that will need to change if they want to achieve wider voter appeal.

  6. The problem with this manic optimism is the assumption that liberation will emerge through the political system. Chloe is brilliant but the counter forces that will be placed upon her will be immense. What we need now, if we are lucky, will come from somewhere outside of the political arena.

  7. I agree Martyn, Chloe has the goods, it’s up to the Green Party to give her the structure that allows it happen. If TPM and Labour are wise they will work with her from day one and how about form an Opposition coalition.

    1. Chloe pays to much attention we have to give her the best information we can so that she can make the decision and perhaps even run the place. Stop thinking about petty bullshit. Think who’s going to be Deputy PM, Finance minister, defence minister. Forign minister, Export minister etc. The greens can focus pretty hard on easy petty shit. You can’t have woke activism without air-conditioning. Now we have to think about hard shit.

  8. I fully support your sentiments regarding Chloe Swarbrick as a leader, and find no reason why she shouldn’t be. She is fierce, and I hope many others will reinforce the power she can hold to shift the state of affairs in a more productive direction.

  9. The Greens had a choice some years ago to be either a credible, science based environmental group or head into the weeds of immature radicalism in order to attract attention. They chose the latter, which will reliably get them reelected with a handful of MPs but at the same time assures that they will never get into the mainstream.

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