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  1. There is no doubt the transition from 1984 to 1991 was sharp. That was because we had an extraordinarily controlled economy, much more so than Australia.
    Just some examples. Import licensing, which meant no new cars or TV’s imported in NZ, unless there was a licence. Reserve Bank approval was required to buy anything overseas. Around 50% of the economy was state owned. Hundreds of thousands employed by the Post Office and NZ Rail. Subsidies for sheep!
    The Cost. In 1984 NZ was about to call in the IMF to avoid running out of money. Yes, we had growth prior to 1984. But it was entirely fuelled by borrowing. And by 1984 we had run out of the money.
    The changes, mostly by Roger Douglas, were sharp, equivalent to castor oil medicine. But necessary.
    In any event it is now 40 years ago. There is no going back. And no, Act won’t run the economy. As with all MMP governments, the major party gets the major say.

    1. Actually Wayne, the P&T workforce peaked at around 40k and Rail was similar, hardly 100s of thousands, all Douglas did was move thousands of them onto the dole.
      Perhaps rather than generalities in rebuttal of Finns article let’s have specifics instead.

    2. Muldoon was the problem in 1984, as you say changes needed to happen but gifting the state’s best assets to overseas buyers for almost nothing was not the solution. I seem to remember that the phone system was making profits larger than its sale price within a few years (yes the new owners obviously invested more into the business) & subsequent Telecom share prices reflected the financial gift that the sale was.

    3. Wayne, you may think the major partner gets the most say but you forget about the collective cabinet responsibility.
      Nothing can get done if all cabinet do not agree.
      This is why the first part of Jacindas government was completely hamstrung by the buffoons from NZ First.
      They are even known to tell lies about some of the things they said and signed up for while in cabinet.
      The classic is the Te Hupuapua saga. Winston signed up for this discussion document but now says he knew nothing about it.
      So don’t expect that Nats will have everything they want just because they may have a majority of Cabinet. They certainly won’t because Seymour and Peters won’t sign off on that which they disagree with.

  2. Selling public assets disheartens the population. Why have we built a good country up just so lazy blues can hand it over to foreigners cheaply? Once.

    They can’t be bothered thinking of better ways or making haste slowly. They and their friends and donors want to clip the ticket fast and make a lot of money from everyone else’s work.

    Short term thinkers and thieves.
    No wonder productivity is low when people see their efforts benefitting foreigners and the very few at the top only.

    How did punishing the poor ever help us to prosperity. The writer quite clearly shows it didn’t. It suffocated us.
    Everyone needs to feel they have a stake in the future, not being side-lined by Nact’s friends.

    Luxon and Willis lead that nasty band of ex-Key misfits. How will they make things better for average NZders? They cannot and voters need to realize they have no intention of trying. That is not their aim.

  3. Labour can’t find any credible leaders to replace Chris Hipkins?
    It is in the crucible of class struggle that great Left wing leaders are made.
    To rebuild, Labour needs to return to its trade union roots.

    They say, “Cut Back!”
    “We say, “Fight Back!”

    1. Agreed. This is why Labour as a brand is no longer fit for purpose.
      If they want to pursue the woke identity politics agenda fine, just don’t pretend you represent working people and the values that Labour once stood for.

  4. A Left Wing fight back is essential.
    In my experience it starts in the Union Movement.
    As the saying goes, “Working People who Strike Left, Vote Left!”.
    Without strong militant grass roots Trade Union organisation, Left Wing parties and politics will always struggle to make progress against the power of vested capital.
    No pressure Guys!

  5. This is the problem. No one looks at actual numbers, but they listen to deluded wankers like Mike Hosking, and think they are informed.

  6. Good post. But think – be even more careful not to wish for anything – to slump, and sit around passing judgment like wiseacres as USA put it – that’s what old alcoholics do. After wishing for something the next step must be to work out how to move closer to where you would wish to be in a legal and organised manner. Great statistics you have included –
    I have put the link aside for reference.

    Things we all ought to know and would if we were responsible, informed, thinking citizens. We would be thinking about having a good cohesive society where some citizens don’t wiggle their way to places of wealth and beat everyone else down from the top of the sandcastle.

    To prevent that we need to be aware of what happens when you take your eyes off the specifications for a good society with equity so all have some input, and follow reasonable rules for good outcomes, and all share and carry the weight. And all are learning something new all the time.

    This from the Hollies – He Ain’t Heavy That’s My Brother
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBI9i3HlFVE
    (This little caption goes with the vid which has lyrics with it that were appropriate during the
    Vietnam war. I’m a Vietnam vet (USMC) and this song brings tears to my eyes every time I hear it. It reminds me of times long ago when men were …

    We were playing this on our country’s radios when we went through a period of caring. Was it just a passing fashion – we thought we were on a road to becoming civilised, prosperous and wise to sagacious – make it so!)

    Something new for today, a word that sends its echoes here from past centuries but is still meaningful: … in fact, wiseacre came to English by a different route: it is derived from the Middle Dutch wijssegger, meaning “soothsayer.” Wiseacre first appeared in English way back in the 16th century, while the “insolent” sense of wise and the words formed from it are products of the 19th century.
    Wiseacre Definition & Meaning – Merriam-Webster
    Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › wiseacre

    Here is an echo of how we interact in NZ today. The Front Lawn had a good ear.
    Well – ‘How You Doing?’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLiHhuZMtg
    They sort of remember each other, serendipity acquaintances who can’t remember names or places, and aren’t really interested. We need to find good people with humanity, goodness, creativity, skills, morals and practicality and commit to friendship and esprit de corps. Whoever wins this election event we will need to start learning and make changes and form extended families, good whanau to belong with and work with and defend our livings with. As for the rest – There be Dragons. I’ll throw in some Barbara Sher who was a great motivator. ‘You Don’t Know What’s Possible’ 11m.

    1. These two paras from RadioNZ write-up on Michael Palin’s book about WW1 relative who came to NZ and later died at the Somme.
      I think his summary of what his relative was about is good for thinking now:

      “It wasn’t about strategy, it wasn’t about politics, it wasn’t about what sort of ammunition they were given, he wasn’t someone who analysed anythig too much, he was just there with his friends trying to do the best for them.

      “And I think that might be the attitude that gets you through… and he kept going, his diaries showed that he was continually moving behind enemy lines, bringing back bodies, bringing wounded down to the ships on the shore, carrying ammunition up to the artillery positions, he’s always on the go. And I think that’s because he feels he’s with mates that he likes and respects.
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018910171/michael-palin-s-new-zealand-connection-my-great-uncle-harry-s-life-and-death-in-wwi

  7. Interesting perspective and echo’s my belief that Westminster style democracy has and continues to fail us.

  8. Yep, good post.
    The system serves itself, not the people. We’re only voting in those who are given responsibility of controlling us, not serving us. We’re being crushed by top down, now global governance; and the blue lot will throw the PPP elephant of global capital on top of it.
    All so the <1% that the system serves, and their wannabes, can live their accustomed lifestyles while we are made decarbonised waste.

  9. Can someone kindly provide the title of the David Grant research referred to and preferably a link to it? Thank you

    1. According to historian David Grant, New Zealand’s economy in 1998 was nearly 25 percent smaller than it would have been if it had grown at the same rate as the Australian economy after 1984.

      Dunno myself but this could be the guy.
      David Grant
      Penguin Books New Zealand
      https://www.penguin.co.nz › authors › david-grant
      David Grant is a Wellington historian and author with a background in journalism and teaching. In 1999 he was awarded Victoria University’s JD Stout Research …
      David Grant is a Wellington historian and author with a background in journalism and teaching. In 1999 he was awarded Victoria University’s JD Stout Research Fellowship in New Zealand cultural studies. He reviews for New Zealand Books, and is a guest lecturer in history at Victoria University. As well as contributing to a wide range of anthologies, dictionaries, encyclopaedias, journals and magazines, he did background research for the TV series One People: Our Century.

      His books include: Man For All Seasons: The life and times of Ken Douglas; The Big Blue: Snapshots of the 1951 waterfront lockout (as editor); Those Who Can Teach: A History of Secondary Education in New Zealand from the Union Perspective; Two Over Three on Goodtime Sugar: The New Zealand TAB turns 50; Jagged Seas: The New Zealand Seamen’s Union 1879–2003; Field punishment No. 1: Archibald Baxter, Mark Briggs and New Zealand’s anti-militarist tradition.

      He has also researched prime minister of the Third Labour Government, Norman Kirk, and a history of the Christian Pacifist Society, New Zealand’s first major pacifist group.

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