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  1. This collection of power hungry fools will engage in all manner of chicanery to fulfill their covetousness desires.

    And if that means the rest of us burn – so be it.

  2. I know you keep saying it is corporate farmers, as if the typical family farmer, still in their many tens of thousands, either has no say or is of a different view. It is political label, not an actual analysis of rural views.

    I would suggest that the big majority of family farmers, who are still have majority of all farming land, share these views. In fact, as Groundswell shows, they are driving it.

    There are a number of reasons, mostly to do with their income.

    Farmers, unlike urban people, will be paying the emissions levy directly. For urban people, emissions levies are paid by larger industrial firms. The impact of carbon charges is indirect and for most of us, very small. For farmers, emissions levies mean a direct and substantial reduction in their income. Many believe that the costs are sufficient to make farming unviable, not that I believe that. Nevertheless they see tens of thousands coming off their bottom line. The bottom line being that actual money they pay themselves to live. In their view it would be perhaps a 30% reduction in take home pay. How many other people are facing that level of reduction of income due to emissions levies?

    The second main argument is that New Zealand is too small to matter. What difference do we make to global warming. It is of course an argument that all small OECD countries can make and will cut no ice in international fora.

    The third argument is that NZ livestock farmers are the most efficient in the world. A reduction in production here simply means more production by less efficient farmers elsewhere with consequent greater emissions.

    The fourth argument is tat the farming sector produces most of New Zealand’s foreign exchange which underpins the total economy. Therefore we all need to share the cost, not just load it onto one sector.

    Now I know some of these arguments are invalid, but that doesn’t stop farmers making them. The reason being that their belief that their take-home pay will be dramatically reduced.

    We need to find a way to spread the cost of reducing farm emissions among all of us, so we are not asking family farmers to take a massive reduction in their take home pay, while almost no-one else has to pay much at all.

    1. Quite right. I think it is also a myth that the urban workers hold a different opinion to the farmers. I suspect if you polled voters in safe Labour seats, most would agree with every one of those arguments.

      The small farmers can’t possibly support the Primary Sector C.A.P. The number of small landholdings generally falls over time, and they will be the first to go out of business (and have their lots gobbled up by the large agriculturalists).

    2. Yes Wayne, fairly much “bang on”
      The current impasse/hault is because of a failure for Government to comprehend to full picture. Each farm is unique when it comes to the environment and should have individual assessments. The left hand of Government says NO NO too complicated.However the right hand of Government says yes each farm is unique and each shall have a farm specific fresh water plan. Now is not a major to extend that plan to incorporate an analysis of the carbon impact of eah farm. But hey why doesnt the Government run with this proposition?
      Because many farms sheep aand beef in particular will.net carbon sinks not net emitters. Thus due to be paid not taxed.
      Now the realization of this AND its impact on the carbon trading market has brought both farm emisson charges and carbon farming to a grinding.hault.
      Ill concieved, poorly implemented, now all on hold!

  3. Is the world heating up due to increased CO2 levels? Maybe, I don’t know. But let’s assume it is.

    So, what’s your plan to fix it?

    1. Well duh, the answer is obviously destroy our entire economy and way of life while everyone else just keeps on doing what they’re doing.

  4. Is Tory Whanau the green mayor going to stop importing Wellington’s beach from the South Island with all this end of days climate calamity ? What’s the carbon and environmental footprint of that worth?
    Why not?
    Don’t worry, I know – because it’s scientifically meaningless to destroy our farming, but sacrifices made to the climate gods must always be by someone else, especially your political opponents.

  5. Very true Martyn. Given that the American empire’s military emits more CO2 than our dairy industry- an industry that produces actually useful products, rather than murdering innocent people and raping and killing little girls in Japanese-occupied Ryukyu and American-occupied Hawai’i, shouldn’t we start by purchasing weapons to sink American terror ships to the bottom of the ocean?

  6. I invite all the naysayers to come visit hell! Next week would be good. Expecting 47-48 Celsius on Wednesday.

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