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  1. When Marx talked about socialism, he was providing a vision for the next stage of human society, and of economic progress — an inevitable progression from capitalism, based on its evolutionary development and fatal flaws.

    Romanticising the misery of the epoch of savagery is quite un-Marxist. Being trapped in the early stages of pre-history is only ‘harmonious’ in the sense that there is no surplus being produced from human labour — it is impossible to even try to exploit anybody, because you are constantly on the brink of starvation, and are living at the mercy of the elements. Private property is impossible.

    Any such society must develop its productive forces through the epochs of barbarism, slavery and feudalism before it can reach the capitalist stage of development — and thereafter, it can become advanced enough to attempt the construction of a socialist economy.

    1. You completely misunderstand life in the Mesolithic as ‘savagery’. Some anthropologists now recognise it as more civilised than European ‘civilisation’ that gave rise to the capitalocene.
      Surplus is not in itself good. For 100,000s of years, sustainability avoided a surplus and served to allow humans to live comfortably with less necessary labour than under hierarchical class society in which surplus labour was expropriated from slaves, peasants and wage workers.
      That the commune was sufficient to sustain life and freedoms is shown by the resistance it put up to attempts to destroy it by establishing ruling classes and states. Most notably, the struggle of women against the patriarchy for millennia continues to this day.
      For all its faults ‘The Dawn of Everything’ by Graeber and Wengrow debunks the simplistic view of evolution as a transition from savagery to civilisation.
      Of course a return to the commune today does not mean to turn back the clock, but rather what is called for by many – the end of capitalism, the end of extracting a surplus which destroys nature, the collective planning of highly productive labour to meet social needs, all creating the conditions for sustainability of life in harmony with nature.

  2. Ah yes the beautiful balance of Maori burning more of NZ than the settlers did.
    More species extinct before white settlers got here than after, don’t worry about the facts.
    And when they were killing and raping or eating or enslaving their enemies it was sweet because it was utu?
    Aotearoa sounds like a mad place where reality is inverted.
    New Zealand still has some common sense and knowledge of actual history I hope.

    1. History is horrible. Without exception we have all been a pack of ********s. No culture or race is exempt, until we accept that we won’t do better.

  3. Does capitalismation equal exploitation? I’ve been reading Catherine Cookson and many of her books have classism and excpoitation in aid of capitalism as the basis for the stories of men and women trying to uve their days and lives in a complex world. But for many it has a simple theme. The poor weren’t to learn to read and write otherwise they wouldn’t be willing to work in the terrible conditions that prevailed, they would get ideas above their station.

    The too frequent outbreaks of cholera, smallpox, typhoid, and the tuberculosis that could be traced back to the poor living conditions, two-room hovels and piles of excrement that were dumped in middens with a terrible stench, and also likely affecting drinking water were known and continuing burdens of life then. But education for the masses might get them thinking – so disapproved of. The churches – Sunday Schools started am improvement there. Apparently having a library of classic books all in matching bindings of leather was a decorating feature in upper class homes, but the words might never be read. So education can be feared and disregarded. And now we find it needs some philosophy and humanities in it or else it just trains us to be efficient automatons.

    1. Grey, capitalism and exploitation? I think you come closer to an answer by looking at human nature. If we as a society had a Socialist economy before we discovered oil I suspect we would, (for the greater glory of the workers) have given away cars free, burnt the oil and created climate change.
      PS the unread leather bound books should include Thorsten Veblen.

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