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  1. There is something misguided about wanting to bring the system closer and more intuned with Mother Nature. I am asking how does someone even distinguish between environmental goods and normal goods? Are these people not aware that nature from the very beginning is one huge big gigantic extremely long string of disasters? Why would you want to be I love with that. Mother Nature is a bitch. She loves disasters, all this climate chaos is her having a good time, you know the pollution, the volcanoes, the tsunami. The greater the disaster, the more natural and intune the system will be with Mother Nature. Only these disasters are not natural, they are manmade created by the system.

  2. “This is the age of building walls.”

    My understanding is that it is not a wall but a door, one which is open to any country that “demonstrates in a substantive manner how trade measures can support and drive climate and environmental objectives.” (Ref this link)

    Also, that the aim is not ‘for profit’ but to keep costs of essential products low, especially those products which are needed for the rapidly changing climate (solar panels etc). Without such an agreement, the multinationals will use the evolving crisis situation for further profit, and again, the poorest nations will be left without.

    (But I don’t know enough about it yet.)

  3. “This is the age of building walls” Far sighted thinkers are pointing out that it’s going to require a global consciousness – as opposed to national consciousness thinking – to get us out of this. Walls are the old way of doing things (unless you’re talking about sea walls).

    Maybe it would be best if we middle aged types just handed power over to the young generation now and let them get on with fixing things.

  4. Stuff labelled the agreement “Climate trade” today. Agree about the local sentiment, saving the planet has to start at home.

  5. Nah. Its the age of tearing down walls.
    Capitalism is beyond walls except for herding the masses into extinction or into manageable armies to fight one another and the alien enemy as civilisation goes down.
    Walls must be torn down everywhere to allow the global working masses to unite as one.
    The populist/fascists who want to build walls and exit globalisation are a vocal minority but only because bourgeois parliament is bankrupt and leaves a void to be filled by hatemongers.
    Yet where fascists mobilise on the streets the antifascists are bigger and stronger.
    Identity politics is a symptom of the rot of too late capitalism.
    But class cannot by destroyed by identity politics.
    Class struggle is the cause of the decay of capitalism and demise of a ruling class facing a global working masses seething with rebellion.
    And given that global capitalism is in retreat, those rebellions must become revolution or death.
    Yellow Vests proved that working masses starting with basic demands about taxation, and stuck in nationalist politics, meeting brutal state repression, get pushed towards self-defence and grass roots citizens assemblies which can become modern communes for organising revolution.
    Extinction Rebellion and the Schoolkids strikes are building showing that the overthrow of capital is the only way out for humanity.
    The Arab Spring has been quashed for now, but only by military repression and genocide.
    The temporary compromises with dying capitalism as in the rest of the world will not hold back the masses indefinitely.
    All of this shows that ordinary working people are standing up for the most elementary rights, to life, to democracy, liberty and equality, against the WALLS that fascists build, and are prepared to arm themselves against genocide.
    The capitalist dream has turned into the fascist nightmare, that of racism, sexism and xenophobia, state repression, and the liberal left selling out humanity on the wrong side of history.
    History is always written by the victors, but this time it will be written by the survivors, those who end capitalism and reunite society with nature.

  6. Nailed it Martyn. Thinking locally is the way forward, unlike Dave Brown’s idealistic dream of a global worker’s paradise.

    Much love for JA, but the neoliberal fantasy of open borders & free trade is profoundly anti-democracy, anti-worker, and an existential threat to the future of NZ as a free and stable nation

    1. Actually agree with your gist here minus the PM love.
      JA is charismatic, well spoken and completely run by her neoliberal party.

      1. Nah she’s a good sort. Tried to bring in CGT, got nobbled by Winston. There’s not much wiggle room for the Coalition government. She is relentlessly positive and a wonderful representative for NZ

  7. BTW Walls have been the delineators of civilised culture for thousands of years. Bridges and roads are a sign that the Empire is gearing up to invade. cf. Ancient Rome, and China’s new/old “Belt and Road” initiative

  8. There is no actual confusion –
    JA’s theoretical message of inclusion, looking at ourselves through common values regardless of race or religion- is simply referring to our Muslim community attacked in chrischurch.

    There is no attempt whatsoever by this government to govern inclusively, their first act after a foreign terrorist attack was to hide police failings and attack its own citizens freedoms.

    Similarly they are demonizing farmers currently, and now the left wing are openly attacking anything white or male (recent offerings on council make up for example).
    Absolutely nothing inclusive to see in this government, but JAs statement was all about chch, the chch call her headscarf moment. Pure PR, all she stands for.

    1. “They are us”
      Except we, the 70 percent of kiwis born here don’t seem to be “us” to this government.

    2. Oh please. Inclusive government means retreating from identity politics like yours. White supremacy is the dark side of idpol; split people into self interested little tribes and what do you expect.

      You think white blokes have it rough? Well its 10x tougher for Maori, Polynesian, and women on the DPB. The statistics of poverty, crime and suicide are grim. We need to give every Kiwi a stake in the future of this country

      1. No kidding, are they not also part of the 70 percent born here I’m saying aren’t being governed for? Nowhere did I mention race.
        You wokies just can’t help it can you.
        White supremacists under the bed?
        “Us” is all of us, not just who the woke decide is deserving this week or who the PM wants to milk for cheap PR overseas.

        1. “the left wing are openly attacking anything white or male”; that’s where you mentioned race. Rememnber the Chch mosque attacks? That’s why your comments leave a soiur taste

          1. Oh I see.
            It’s intended as a statement of fact.
            I’d rather see the left wing who is in power fixing Maori (or anyone’s) poverty than banging on about “pale stale males” or “the patriarchy” (hint to readers, the PM is a white woman).
            Identity politics is used by the government and apologists to shut down debate and deflect from their non effort to fix our many problems.

  9. She isnt criticizing identity politics, she was criticizing only the white nationalist version of it. She doesnt mentioned gender or sexual orientation, because this is all about middle eastern muslim inmigrants. You are allowed to descriminate against them, but she is still all for gender equity among her ministers. She is still for special treatment for LGBT.

    1. You and I must have heard Jacinda say different things because I think you’re bullshitting. We don’t have to give LGBT special rights. We just have to give them equal rights the same as same sexed couples.

  10. Unfortunately Labour has taken a vow to keep borrowing to within a tight limit and hence is not willing to fund the sort of mass employment projects which would lift us out of the stagnation we are now slipping into. If anyone, I would have expected Labour to spend up on employment, especially when borrowing is so cheap, but no. The party still has a whiff of the neo-liberal rot to it and hasn’t the courage to admit the period of economic and social sabotage it kicked off in the 1980s under Roger Douglas. That old guard is still there, festering away in the back room.

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