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  1. Well I think the Prime Minister of New Zealand, Jacinda Ardern ought to worry about her ambitions for change rather than worrying about ours. Including such things as a fundamental reexamination over the failures of 3 successive elections and 4 party leaders and go to the policy issues in fact The Labour Party’s phoney fiscal policies at the last election and the one before. The Adsense of any wages policy that was even believable or credible before The Honourable Willie Jackson parachuted in. The Adsense of any health care policy on national health and abdicating any responsibility on health while Coca Cola Colman fiddled with health so they had no health policy. The lack of any policy related to industry development, training and lack of educational resources to back stop business. All of the key issues that matter to the way in which the nation functions that you do not learn it as you go along.

    So instead of applying ourselves to what we can change and what really matters we ask ourselves the most difficult questions about how to attach kind and economically driven legs to a fiscal fish where in fact all governments generate there own process of change well certainly Phill Twyford and Robertson and Jacinda gave Kiwi Build a crack and this change naturally comes from the leadership, the party and the government. So you’ve got the Prime Minster who’s the director of change and the chief economic person in Robertson and other senior portfolio holders as well as an employment minister who has taken it on his own initiative to preside over falling unemployment states and didn’t need to be pushed and prodded and dragged along where NOVA pay was and where we are still failing.

    So the point is that we generate our own enthusiasm because we can focus on contemporary issues. What Jacinda has to do is focus on how to beat The National Party 3 times in a row because once is a fluke and why a fraudulent appeal to raise taxes is not a great vision for change and on the front pages of every news rage will be Simon Bridges saying that he is the real weapon for change and right next to that you’ll have reasons for why those tax cuts. Y’know…, the real tough policies of handing out tax cuts.

    So why don’t we get off the poll dancing and get down to a bit of policy.

  2. “Either way, she’s left to carry all the political costs from that decision”

    She would have carried the cost of the other decision too, and she rightly assessed that it would be a heavier burden.

    “We need courage. We need leaders with courage to stand up to outdated thinking,”

    It took courage to go against her stated preference, her senior advisor in Cullen and his advisory group too. But note that Cullen had 9 years when he could have implemented a CGT himself.
    This decision and the way she made it won’t cost Jacinda anything at all.

    D J S

    1. Many a comfortable rental property owning boomer is smirking along with you Mr Stone.
      Not so sure about the people living in cars going in to winter, I think they will be “disappointed” Arden didn’t see it through.
      The politics of kindness- as applied to the upper middle class.

      1. If you think that CGT was going directly to house people living in cars OK. But why not just increase top income tax rates? Stop corporate profits going offshore, build a meaningful number of state houses, make it illegal to own several houses and keep them empty? The govt could forcibly take over the rent of empty houses , pay the owner a market rent and place people in them. That would cool the market pretty quick.
        Government and or local bodies as overseas need to get hands on to house people without means like they do in other countries; like we did with state housing long ago. They have to be prepared to be a landlord again, not a property developer. I have 2 nephews who are building apartments in Auckland. Everyone has seen some of them. Many even of these are being bought by people who have no intention of either letting them or living in them. The speculative gain is all some buyers are looking for. The government has to do something much more direct than to share in this speculative gain to remedy this .
        D J S

  3. Yes I am for fairness for all but Jacinda did eagerly sign us up for TPP didn’t she?f

    She needs to care about kiwis firstly not all the rest of the world.
    We have many things so wrong now after nine years of natZ “slash & Burn politics” so please Jacinda ” remember “compassion begins at home”.

  4. CGT is dead in the water. A huge win for conservatives. Looks like getting the whole country on board with “compassionate and progressive policies” is harder than herding cats. People do not give their money away. Period.

    The sooner JA buggers off to some worthless job at the UN the less damage she and Labour can inflict on the rest of us.

  5. Andrew Little, when he led the party, was also sceptical of capital gains taxes. However, now that the CGT distraction is out of the way, they can concentrate on more effective measures. Whether they will do so though remains to be seen.

  6. There is simply not enough unity in this country’s population, those who managed to obtain property, whether through ‘hard work’, sacrifices or simply by inheriting it, they will cling to their privileged life situations as much as they can, nobody will give up assets and forms of wealth without a fight, except one like ‘Jesus’.

    But the number of persons forcing to rent is growing, and will continue to grow. So it may take time for those to get the upper hand.

    So yes, it was partly NZ First and Winston that stopped the CGT being introduced, but they also did it with having in mind the power and influence of the property owning middle class, or the upper middle class.

    They are committed voters, those who have nothing are less likely to vote, as we know, so politicians and parties will consider the consequences of upsetting those who are committed voters, less so the interests of the silent and powerless non voters and undecided voters.

    We have the same challenges, even greater ones, to deal with when it comes to environmental and climate change issues and needed policies. Who will dare to introduce policies that will take conveniences away and make life more difficult for so many?

    There will only be improvements if people learn to make sacrifices, and again, few will be prepared to do so, as consumers have become addicted to a wasteful and polluting life style.

    Change may only come if it inevitable, due to serious disasters happening.

  7. It’s not even market rules prevailing. There were plenty of economic commentators and investors who supported the CGT both at an investment and fairness level – it has potential positive economic outcomes but they were not argued for.
    What has happened here is that a small but powerful lobby group representing only a portion of the “property owning class” have shouted loudest and most angrily and the media has simply dissipated in front of it.
    It reminds me of Brexit – a minority of very angry and vocal individuals simply dominate the discussion. The journalists and other voices don’t push back and instead defer in sympathy to the clearly upset Brexiteer.
    So it is with CGT – the more reasoned and nuanced debates about future government revenue and fairness are simply not heard as those who hold those views politely remain quite so as not to further upset the already angry – “I’ve worked hard for this/this is my pension/why should I pay more tax/this will destroy the economy” person before them.
    I feel like this is an Obama moment for Jacinda – when pragmatism and the “job at hand” become the driving factors of her political direction over and above the idealism that may have originally got her into politics.
    When leadership changes from being the idealistic vision we project onto someone to the reality that they are just someone doing a difficult job with constraints, limitations and disappointment.
    Saying that it does feel like a huge body blow to long term Labour supporters but I think it goes much deeper and wider than Jacinda or even the current Labour leadership.
    Across the NZ electorate there is a chasm of economic ignorance and by that I mean macro economics – sure lot’s of Kiwi’s run businesses or household budgets – but it is this very perspective that blinds them to the big picture.
    Without a broader and fairer tax base going into the future and with the share of national income going to labor in decline – it is possible that the very assets being protected now from CGT may lose value in the long run as government engagement in the economy shrinks.
    If this happens – the value of property and business assets will become less reliable.
    For example – rental subsidies to low income house holds may have to go to reduce government spending which will immediately reduce the available pool of tenants who can pay market rents.
    The money available to councils to develop and maintain the types of infrastructure and environment that supports and sustains the value of business and property assets will also decline and costs pushed onto individuals.
    Between to 1852 and 1879 in NZ you could only vote in elections if you were male (presumably European), over 21 and an owner or leaseholder of property. Universal suffrage for men over 21 was introduced in 1879 and for women in 1893.
    Ultimately providing a tax free form of income to a small segment of your asset owning citizens and then refusing to allow non property owning citizens to have a say on this takes us back to NZ’s pre 1879 form of democracy.
    It is an inversion of the “no taxation without representation” concept. Asset owners in NZ get “representation without taxation” as things currently stand.
    I don’t understand why this can’t be explained to the NZ public by a strong leader with good communication skills.

  8. “.. even though Fortune Magazine this week said Jacinda Ardern was the second most powerful leader in the world, that would make Winston the first.”

    Question:
    You’re in a race and you pass the second person, what position are you now in? lol

  9. Just imagine if we had had MMP in 84..squalid old Roger would have been ” rogered”. System is working methinks.

    1. I always thought that MMP, after years of rejection while Social Credit was pushing it, caught on when the electorate saw how it would have stymied rogernomics as the minor parties would have rejected it. FPP gave the govt absolute power.
      So we brought in MMP to prevent a government ever having the absolute power to make such diabolical changes to our again . Only to make it almost impossible for any government ever to reverse it. That seems to have been the case.
      D J S

      1. The country has a lot to thank Winston and NZF for otherwise the country would be in an even bigger mess than it is now under the previous National & Labour Governments ?

    1. Of course it was a smart political decision.

      1. Old white people determine governments
      2. Old people didn’t want a CGT
      3. If you want to be in government, it’s not politically smart to support a CGT

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