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  1. One of the key bits was this (and I don’t mean to belittle what happened in prison):
    A year after release, the victim – with no prior sexual violence convictions – raped a woman, was convicted for the attack and returned to prison.

    Fairly unequivocal evidence of the fallout in society of this “policy” and its failing implementation – an unnecessary victim created by the “system”.

    There’s a nasty hard vindictive streak in our country’s psyche that gets justified by a warped righteous puritanism. Albeit in a different way, it manifested itself for Metiria Turei.

  2. Nope – I think inciting people to riot could be a criminal offence; it could also endanger guards and other undeserving prisoners.

    I would be comfortable with Katipa and his ilk being castrated, chemically or otherwise; permanent or otherwise.

    Katipa seems such a sicko he’d likely find other dreadful substitute behaviour. He is one of the answers as to why pre-frontal lobotomies used to be carried out more often than they seem to be now.

    If, as visiting Canadians intimated, we are going to be living under Sharia Law, Katipa, could have everything cut off including one or two hands.

    1. Christine: “I would be comfortable with Katipa and his ilk being castrated, chemically or otherwise; permanent or otherwise.”

      Unfortunately, there’s evidence that castration doesn’t reliably prevent men from having sex. And, given that the motivation of sex offenders isn’t always primarily sexual, they don’t always use their body for rape – if you get my drift…. See this:

      http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/12/castration_anxiety.html

      I’d read somewhere else about Katipa; it’s a truly awful story. The sheer incompetence of Corrections infuriates me.

      I’ve long thought that there’s a relatively small group of incorrigible offenders from whom the rest of us need to be protected and who should never be released from prison, and whose contact with other prisoners must be strictly controlled.

      It doesn’t matter how they got to be so dangerous, but they are; it appears that they’re all at very high risk of reoffending. Katipa looks to be one of them.

      1. D’Esterre I accept what you’re saying here, and that rape may be primarily an act of violence, and also that some offendors should be permanently incarcerated, and fellow prisoners should protected from them. Any suggestion otherwise is barbaric.

        I regard Corrections as criminally negligent in enabling Katipa to rape and damage, and think that an enquiry into how this occurred is infinitely more important than who leaked Bridges’ expenses – or how much he spent.

        If Katipa is the cause of anyone’s psyche being indelibly imprinted with traumatising flashbacks, or waking from sleep sitting bolt upright in terror, then I have zero sympathy for him.

        Right now in NZ, every day, we have children experiencing brutal childhoods; some may grow up to be Katipas, some will vow to never be the same.

        1. > “If Katipa is the cause of anyone’s psyche being indelibly imprinted with traumatising flashbacks, or waking from sleep sitting bolt upright in terror, then I have zero sympathy for him.”

          Dividing people into those worthy of compassion and those not worthy is part of the problem. Having compassion for our fellow human beings, even when they’ve done reprehensible things, is not as important for them as it is for us, and our ability to maintain a society that is compassionate, and thus civilized. Michel Foucault’s ‘Discipline and Punish’ begins with a horrifying medieval account of a man being publicly tortured as punishment for a crime. We risk regressing back towards this if we cannot be more compassionate towards wrong-doers than they are currently capable of being.

  3. yes this fucken well pisses me of and its been going on for ages he ain’t the first one to do this. Then we have these sick warped nzders saying they deserve it. How are we suppose to have any confidence in our justice system that is perpetuating violence itself. The rape on these men and some of them very young men has destroyed their lives. Its sickening to read this and for the corrections to say they apologised well in my books this ain’t good enough some heads need to roll and people need to get the boot from their job now.
    These men locked behind bars they cant protect themselves from this predatory behaviour. How can you expect prisoners to get on with their lives and contribute to our country when they have been raped while being punished and the very system that is punishing them has allowed this to happen.

    1. Yes Michelle. Tell it like it is. Yes, some of these young guys lives are permanently destroyed, and no number of apologies or payouts can undo the damage done to them.

      Not so long ago we had a PM who thought that he was being funny fooling around about gay male rape on some radio show. Had it been male-female rape they wouldn’t have dared to make it a laughing matter, but because it was male on male, it was thought to be funny, and no rape is funny, and anyone who thinks that it is is warped.

      When people come out of prison more damaged than when they went in
      then the system is majorly morally culpable, and yes, it is utterly sickening to read of this horror.

  4. Its a shame we can’t somehow link this story to ‘Trump’s America’ or Stormy Daniels, or failing that maybe a couple of visiting racists with a few youtube clips, then it might get some traction in the media and the # movements.

  5. Put a bunch of men deprived of sex together anywhere and something is going to happen. That’s why you don’t let foreign armies into your country if at all possible, and don’t give too much power to police and any other authorities as they are likely to be abuse it for sex.

    Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weill had it right with their song “The Ballad of Sexual Dependency” in The Three Penny Opera. Maybe some level of acceptable porn should be made available to prisoners?

  6. Agree 100% with Michelle. Martyn, you’re raising an appalling issue, but saddens me that your anti-violence blog gets a horrific response from Christine who seems to have missed the point.

    Katipa must have experienced shit in his own life to behave so gruesomely, so piling more on him is satisfying vengeance – not improving conditions for young (and older) prisoners. Better to look at the bigger picture of disadvantage in a class society and the way the justice system works against the working class, particularly Maori unemployed.

    1. Agree Janio, violence begets violence.
      But conflating the #Metoo movement with this story is ignoring/belittling the context #Metoo sprung out of, which is NOT class based, and if it veers into didacticism, that is simply a natural swing of the pendulum until achieved. Suck it up until then.

    2. Janio looking at the big picture is ideal, but it doesn’t stop young men in prison from being damaged by other damaged individuals.

      Chemical castration used to be, and perhaps still is used to curb the impulses of pedophiles, and is used in some cancer therapy too. If it helps criminally deviant people to modify their behaviour, then they may be grateful for it. Their victims most certainly would be too.

      Like it or not, there are persons who never recover from damage done them – as evidenced by Katipa himself – and whatever his history may be, and however sad, or tragic, or totally heartbreaking, taking steps to stop it being duplicated with those he mixes with is a positive step.

      As far as I know, castration affects only the gonads, and is not as brutal as it may sound.

  7. Because of the language used in the blog, I cannot send it out to my email list. Using what IMO is filthy language, does nothing to enhance others’ ability to be knowledgeably informed! The English language is more than adequate for writing an informing blog by anyone with compentence in their “mother tongue”.

    In my work as a psych. nurse & nurse tutor, using such language was a sign of an inadequate vocabulary & was before I held those positions & has remained so.

    1. As a health professional you let language be a point of judgment?

      Such bias must seriously interfere with your adequacy in tending to many not of your narrow persuasion.

      Highly expressive and emotive language is common from those who have inner conflicts and need help.

      Obviously not your field. Does race matter?

  8. double bunking is a crime because it is known that sexual assault is rampant.
    see the following research in australia:
    https://www.murdoch.edu.au/_document/News/prison-sexual-assaults.pdf
    and from page 50 of the report it is obvious that you cannot tell who will be a perpetrator:

    In this study doubled up cells were found to be places of high risk of sexual assault
    for vulnerable prisoners. Although prison management and unit officers endeavour to
    place prisoners in cells with appropriate cellmates, mistakes are often made. Indeed,
    during discussions about the research project with one prison superintendent the
    researchers were made aware of an incident whereby a young prisoner was doubled
    Goulding & Steels: Predator Or Prey?
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    up with an older relative. The elder relative sexually assaulted the young prisoner in
    the doubled up cell. This case clearly illustrates the difficulties that overcrowding
    presents to prison officers and prison management. Certainly the policy of ‘double
    ups’ has effectively coerced many prisoners into relationships that they would not
    have chosen for themselves.

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