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  1. So these are ratepayer or publicly owned infrastructure that currently have some sort of accountability and answer to elected people, not based on their race. And we have been told repeatedly that South Africa, the US southern states and a variety of ethno based policies by 20th Century politicians like the former Yugoslavia or worse in Europe or Africa were bad. Repeatedly. And they were rigut, it was very bad. There have been some pretty explosive protests in this country over race based rule interrupting a few rugby tests.

    But then along comes 3 Waters with its non elected ethno based governance, the assets are confiscated from the public, some vague unquestionable ethno rules govern it and the somehow the government are going to sell this to the public? And it’s all okay? And we know if it goes bad NO ONE will be allowed to question it, no one, for risk of being labelled racist! We’ll just be bled of money, no questions asked and if the system fails, none of us can do a thing about it! Thats the thing with the unelected.

    I think the public should rightly question this. And you’re not right wing or a fascist or racist to do so. The fact this was so shadowy in its formulation and the government cannot explain it absolutely stinks of how dodgy it is!

    Why not have 3 Waters without the race based component? Surely a national governance on water quality is then a good thing, if 3 Waters is so good!

    1. Well written piece XRAY sums up how many think .Living in Chch we have seen how the government leaned on us to have our beautiful water chlorinated just because they want it done .zNow we are going to be hit with a $61 million bill to put floride in the water .I know this will cut done bad teeth but it would be cheaper to supply all school children with floride toothpaste . This government love the power

  2. Oh joy. Just what I need right now. Another reason to go and vote for the hateful ACT.
    Jeez the left has really castrated itself over the last 30 years. It has turned itself into an Ethno-Racist movement and wonders why the Dumb Lives Matter movement gets such strong and noisy traction.
    Cause and effect is the ONLY force out there.
    You have all chosen the free market and now it’s on its way back to bite you all on your collective 3 arses.

    1. That “estimate” is from the government’s three waters propaganda. It’s clearly absurd; 34K per year sick from municipal drinking water? You would think you would at least know, or know of, some of this legion of victims, that there would be serious public health issues raised by health authorities. We do hear, now and then, of some food poisoning issues, and probably know people who have got sick. But this?

      What’s it called when you are being lied to in the service of a political agenda?

  3. We could spend years arguing over who gets to control our water services and spend hundreds of millions setting up complex bureaucracies or we could just simply have a contestable fund to allow the councils to fix water infrastructure… Crazy I know.
    If Labour actually addressed the core issue – leaky pipes rather than make this into an identity politics debate they would also likely take out the next election…
    Martin bangs on so much about the damage social justice warriors are doing to the left but then writes woke propaganda pieces like this. I don’t get it.

    1. 100% Neil.

      Read a great article a few months back (one of the authors was Peter Davis Helen Clark’s husband). Issuing govt bonds would be the most straightforward way a ragmatic way of solving the problem

  4. @Martyn can you conceive, perhaps in a parallel universe, that there are good faith, non-racist (even pro Māori version of ToW, pro co-governance) reasons to object to 3 Waters? There are racists in the room but the vast majority of pushback is over the risk of elitism (a class issue) and characterising that as racism or only right wing is disingenuous. A tactic to taint political opponents and frame all opposition as illegitimate.

    I won’t recap my position or some excellent comments on Stephen Minto’s recent blog post (Corey Humm, Denny, Neil and others).
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/11/11/the-treaty-of-waitangi-and-3-waters-co-goverance/

    Corey Humm puts it best as the danger 3 Waters becoming the “water equivalent of the reserve bank”. The concern is not a trend towards an ‘ethnostate’, it is a continuation of the existing trend towards corporate oligarchy.

    To take a single example, given the binding nature and unlimited scope of mana o te wai statements, instead of seeing Qanon everywhere, could you explain how the concrete example of Playcenter is NOT a microcosm of what is to come? (demonstrably not democratic, not for the benefit of all, not even the majority of rõpū).

    If you cannot, then consider when the stakes are so much higher, this risks not only driving a wedge between Māori and non-Māori (because of the incorrect perception that it is about race) but between iwi and iwi, hapu and hapu. Different iwi and hapu are likely to have very different ideas about managing resources. Similar to 4 rõpū being vetoed by 2 over Playcenter, what happens on a much larger scale when mana o te wai statements come into conflict?

    As with most of this governments policies, they really haven’t thought this one through.

    “What I find most hilarious is those screaming that Māori are taking over can’t name 3 councillors on their own local council.”
    – Indeed it is not ‘Māori’, it is a minority of well-heeled individuals who will be empowered. However by that logic if you cannot name 3 directors of Ratheon or Lockheed Martin does that render all your complaints about the US military industrial complex invalid?

  5. The laughable thing is councils are not worried about democracy. They are protecting their patch/jobs. Most councils could say “leave it with us, we have f*cked it up so far”. Good argument.

    I am also amazed how Ardern has persisted overall, while tinkering with the concept. If only she had shown this fortitude with Capital Gains Tax, instead of folding like a deck chair.

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