Thanks to Eru, Mariameno and Doc, we are left with a doomed math for Labour+Greens+Māori Party to equal the 51%+ required to change the existing hard right anti-Māori, anti-Treaty, anti-disabled, anti-beneficiary, anti-worker, anti-renter, and anti-environment Government with a genuinely progressive Government of Labour + Greens + Māori Party Government so now are forced to ponder what the deformed mutation a Labour, NZF and Green Government would look like.
Winston would immediately demand a hand break to anything serious in terms of climate adaptation or economic restructuring. The Greens would be made lap dogs, told that this is better than a second term of National/ACT + NZF and those inside Labour who don’t want to risk actually doing anything would be pleased as punch that Matua Winston would be there ready to say no to everything.
Left wing voters desperate for real change will be horrified by the redneck bullshit they have to now put up with, forced to swallow dead rat after dead rat because it’s the lesser evil.
Voters would walk away in droves as their aspirations go unheard.
It would be a mutation of banality.
There is still a chance for Labour + Green + MP and that is if te Pati Māori hang onto 4 electorate seats while scoring a low Party vote (which after the brand destruction could be highly likely) to generate an overhang that would benefit the Left, but if the deal is reliant on Independent Tikanga Māori Party like Doc or Mariameno, then Winston will simply exploit those fears that the supply and confidence of the country rests on Flakey Ferris.
A Labour,NZF + Green Government would be depressing outcome that could answer none of the challenges we are facing.
Increasingly having independent opinion in a mainstream media environment which mostly echo one another has become more important than ever, so if you value having an independent voice – please donate here.
I’m at the stage where I don’t care how the Left are made up I just want to see the end to this poxy, egotistical, CoC – whatever it takes. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if New Zealanders actually woke up and voted for a smarter more honest government, a better, fairer life, and just common decency. We live in hope.
Labour and the greens can govern on their own .A random poll on stuff the other day had them on the cusp of 50% without TPM .Now that Luxon is cemented in place for the duration and WINSTON is showing how gutless he really is the coalition is dooooomed .
Or forget both NZf and Tpm. The goal should be a Labour Green government, which on current polling, isn’t crazy.
Since the introduction of MMP the only times labours gone from opposition to govt is by forming an electoral pact 1999 with The Alliance party and 2017 and 2017 with the Greens.
We need a Labour-Green Mou. If any change of government is to happen.
Labours gone from 26% to on average around 33% to 35% in two years, the latest poll has them on 38%. The greens are steady around 10%-12%.
if labour keeps growing it’s vote slowly and the greens can stay steady or grow a bit more, a labour green would be a likely scenario.
Agree on certain policies and not to split votes and key electorates.
Once you do that every poll combines labour/green vote share and and that Dwarfs National who have two coalition parties who won’t commit to supporting national in a second term.
Every time the public sees red/green in the 40s and national in the low 30s more middle voters will flock to labour cos if something looks likely more people get on board, success begets success.
It’s not crazy to talk about a red green government, on current polling it’s crazy that we ARENT talking a red green mou.
We need a a center left electoral pact like in 1999 and 2017.
Forget New Zealand First and TPM, they are both divisive and dysfunctional and it’s entirely possible based on both parties history that they won’t be in parliament next election.
If we need them post election, talk then, till then we need to start campaigning a united labour green front to work together to change the govt like in 99 and 2017.
Sounds sense Corey.
” The goal should be a Labour Green government, which on current polling, isn’t crazy ”
Your whole argument is based on the Greens somehow being coalition only with Labour we will get a more progressive government.
Its never been the case in any Labour led government since 2002. Hipkins has already ruled out most of the Greens ideas that are the only progressive policies been made public. The only way we will get real change is if TMP is negotiating or a new femocratic socialist movement that is taking shape overseas . The Greens sadly are jellyfish with no backbone. They will never demand anything as a condition of support.
” Left wing voters desperate for real change will be horrified by the redneck bullshit they have to now put up with, forced to swallow dead rat after dead rat because it’s the lesser evil.
Voters would walk away in droves as their aspirations go unheard.
Like they have in the U.K with the Starmer Labour government after barely a year in office.
Hipkins is already dampening down any real hope of a truly left wing government that he leads.
No one has forgotten the the ten cents of your bananas as the answer to the cost of living extortion that Labour offered in the last few months before they were thrown out.
” Labour is not in my view a left-wing party. Instead it is a social liberal technocratic party cloaked in elitism. Social liberal values are good but not enough (economic justices is even more determinative than social justice).
” the moribund state of politics in New Zealand, where neoliberalism remains the unchallenged orthodoxy. Decades after the so-called reforms of the 1980s and 1990s, the ideological framework of market supremacy, privatization, and austerity continues to dominate both major parties. Labour, once the party of working-class aspiration, has hollowed itself out into a centrist managerial machine, more concerned with fiscal credibility than transformative change. National, predictably, remains committed to the same neoliberal dogma, offering little more than harsher versions of the same policies.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2025/02/07/guest-blog-ian-powell-important-lessons-from-uk-politics-for-new-zealand-labour-party/
https://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot.com/2025/11/a-tale-of-two-countries.html#more
Nice to see you back Corey !!!!
A spilt Red/Green vote campaign is definitely needed.
Christchurch central is wide open now Duncan Webb is stepping down .
It could quite easily go green with the younger demographic coming through.
Especially with Kahurangi Carter in Chch Central.
As you keep saying Martyn Labour need a loaded gun pointed at their heads.
Strategic thinking is going to be required even more this election.
Just vote Labour all the way