Why would we allow China to use our Port to expand Antartica encroachment after China live tested weapons in Tasman Sea?

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Martyn Bradbury
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China proposes sending new Antarctic base via New Zealand

China wants to build a new Antarctic base, not far (in Antarctic terms) from New Zealand’s Scott Base.

It would be China’s second base on the New Zealand side of Antarctica.

In documents sent to parties to the Antarctic Treaty, including New Zealand, China said that the construction of the base could mean more visits of Chinese ships to New Zealand ports as they lie between the Port of Shanghai, where the prefabricated base will leave from, and the site of the base at Cox Point, Marie Byrd Land.

The Chinese just encroached into the Realm of NZ with a secret Cook Islands deal.

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The Chinese just sailed 2 warships plus a supply ship (with the possibility of a nuclear submarine) with  more missile firepower than the entire Australian Navy combined into the Tasman Sea to test live fire weapons.

WHY would we agree to then allow the Chinese to use our ports to expand their presence in Antartica?

 

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  1. Why would we allow China to use our Port to expand their Antarctica operations?

    Why would we allow American transport planes to use Harewood to support American operations in Antarctica?

    If we keep the Chinese from supporting their Antarctic bases from here then we have to stop the Americans supporting their Antarctic bases from here too.

    If we don’t want to get caught in the middle of their superpower rivalry, New Zealand will need to suspend both Chinese and American Antarctic support operations run from this country.

    We ban one or we ban both, we host one we host both.

    As long as we host only one of these two superpowers Antarctic missions, we can never achieve internationally recognised neutral status.

    And only internationally recognised neutral status can protect this country in event of war between them.

    As for the Chinese holding live fire military exercises to the South of Australia, America hosts live fire RIMPAC military exercises to the north of Australia every two years.

    • Internationally recognized neutral status?? Do you mean non aligned with our traditional allies? Being neutral requires being able to fully defend yourself or you just become a puppy that rolls over to get its tummy rubbed every time a stronger power dictates its time for you to jump through the hoop and play dead.

      • Ammurrica has never behaved like an ally to us. They are enemies of all humanity. They must be driven out of everywhere, including NZ.

    • Those are all false equivalents, Pat. That’s not access, that’s a levy that we pay to China and America for being a global citizen.

      There is no amount of legal contractual neutrality agreements or anything else that can prevent China or America from using New Zealand as a launching pad into Antarctica and or our resources for that matter.

      Seriously if you think you’re going to stop America from exploiting NZ they’ll just stop telling us, stick some fences up and an American flag and some McDs and Starbucks and tell all the tree huggers at the fence to fuck off.

  2. Evict Operation Deepfreeze

    https://adam.antarcticanz.govt.nz › nodes › view

    …..Operation Deep Freeze was subsequently supported by many New Zealand ports, but its New Zealand base remained in Christchurch. Regular support missions continue to be flown from the airport, while the [Lyttelton] port is used to refuel and replenish supply vessels.
    The Antarctic air logistics operations of the US, Italy and New Zealand are staged through Christchurch Airport to McMurdo Sound.
    Every summer the military aircraft of these nations complete some 100 flights to the continent and move over 5,500 passengers and 1,400 tonnes of cargo.
    The US’s McMurdo Station and New Zealand’s Scott Base are approximately 3,920km by air from Christchurch.
    The flight to the Antarctic from Christchurch takes about five hours in a US Air Force C-17 Globemaster or seven hours in an RNZAF C-130 Hercules.

    Evict Operation Deepfreeze or invite the Chinese too, there is no half ground position, we either host both, or none of these rival military superpowers Antarctic missions,
    To protect our export led economy, to protect our security as an independent sovereign nation. Evict them both.

  3. Because we already do the same for the Americans, and a lot more than that.
    So an independent authority means we don’t favour one side or the other

  4. Well if we are on the belt and road sealane to Antarctica that leverage should see Kiwi builders constructing that base with NZ materials for our Chinese friends.

    Here is Yanis Varoufakis observing how China is not simply a one head honcho state.
    (23:22 chinese grass roots democracy) https://youtu.be/xQFij3xBpu0

  5. Well if we are on the belt and road sealane to Antarctica that leverage should see Kiwi builders constructing that base with NZ materials for our Chinese friends.

    Here is Yanis Varoufakis observing how China is not simply a one head honcho state.
    (23:22 chinese grass roots democracy) https://youtu.be/xQFij3xBpu0

  6. While I can understand your concerns about China the USA is going to be a greater threat to our freedom of choice so the recent voyage of a few Chinese warships is no reason to not sell our services to them for any Antarctic work.

  7. Good for relationships good for trade the ships will buy stock just like the Americans in Chch .I worked at the base for 2 years and it was a great gig good pay all NZ and USA public holidays and tips .

  8. Lets get rid of the americanization of NZ starting with all the fast food outlets .Wanaka is the only town with any brains on this .We all moan about the profits the banks make but are happy for USA fast food giants to kill us by selling crap food which is causing obesity and now a pandemic of health issues .All while they send the profits off shore and pay bugger all tax .

    • Granted, nobody is safe in a nuclear war, I’ll give you that. But we will be safer than most due to our geographical location, that is if we don’t make ourselves a legitimate military target by tying ourselves into the intelligence and spying and strategic electronic network Waihopai and Five Eyes.

      Google Search:
      “Is New Zealand a safe haven in case of global nuclear war?”

      Search Results:

      Wealthy foreigners, particularly from Silicon Valley, have been buying property in New Zealand, seen as a safe haven in case of societal collapse, with some even investing in or building underground bunkers…..
      …..New Zealand’s remoteness and perceived political stability have made it attractive to wealthy individuals seeking a safe haven,,,,,
      ….PayPal co-founder and venture capitalist Peter Thiel has been reported to own multiple properties in New Zealand, including a large estate, and has been linked to building a bunker-like lodge.
      Several other Silicon Valley entrepreneurs have been reported to have purchased or built survival bunkers in New Zealand.
      A survival shelter manufacturer, Rising S Co., has been reported to have installed multiple private bunkers in New Zealand, with some costing millions of dollars.
      Hedge fund pioneer Julian Robertson and Hollywood film director James Cameron have also been reported to have properties in New Zealand…..
      ….Remoteness: New Zealand’s isolation makes it a potential “bolthole” in case of global catastrophe.

      Hunting the One Percent’s Doomsday Bunkers in New Zealand
      4 May 2019 — he theorized that in a nuclear holocaust scenario. New Zealand my home would be one of the only places to survive in the…

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      New Zealand: The Ultra-Rich’s Panic Room – Medium

      How New Zealand became an apocalypse escape destination …
      16 Jul 2020 — But the New Zealand resort town’s reputation as a place where the world’s wealthy might prefer to ride out the end time…

      An underground shelter, or ‘Doomsday bunker’, has been built in New Zealand, the Herald can confirm for the first time. It comes after years of speculation that super-rich Silicon Valley tech entrepreneurs had shipped survival bunkers to New Zealand, to be buried deep underground for.22 Feb 2025

      NZ Herald
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz › New Zealand

  10. I don’t buy the paranoia around China. They are not a credible military threat based on intention, economics and logistics. It just makes no sense – they are the worlds biggest trading partner – something they achieved in 40 years without military action.
    China gains nothing – in it’s own terms – by engaging in military action any where, given the likely damage to trade and it’s economy.
    Brilliant Ozzy sketch comedy that sums it up perfectly – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgspkxfkS4k

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