Jesus wept, Jack Tame earned his salary today in a very painful watch as he tore strips off David Seymour’s insane justification for turning the Treaty into a source of division.
He absolutely destroyed David’s argument about no where in the world having indigenous rights in law by listing the countries that do.
Jack points out that David as a representative of the Crown renegotiating the Treaty without any Māori input is outrageous because the Crown has an interest in limiting the Treaty.
This has always been the part about Seymour’s crusade that have never made any sense to me, ACT is a property rights over all type of political movement, so you would think that it was important to them to honour contracts, yet here is David as the Crown’s representative deciding all on his own to simply change the definition and meaning of the Treaty.
Jack points out that surely the best person for that is the Judiciary because they are independent of interest.
You can’t have two parties to a contract and one party simply decides to change the meaning regardless of what the other member of the contract wants.
Jack’s final point that it is deeply unjust to force referendum upon Māori when they are the minority. Allowing the majority to define the rights of the minority is not democracy, it’s fascism.
Māori either have customary rights granted to them under the Treaty, or they do n to – allowing the majority to decide is an egregious injustice.
David had a very bad day at the offie, and this couldn’t have helped either…
…bad day for ACT and rednecks, great day for public broadcasting.
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At last, Seymour being put on the spot and pushed hard.
He’s the one who wants the Treaty Principles bill passed and yet he hasn’t explained WHY it has to be done.
He serves up a lot of gobbledygook about his law having to apply to all NZ’ders which sounds very laudable.
As Jack Tame said, Māori being so outnumbered by the rest of the population which includes many new immigrants who know nothing about NZ, means Māori haven’t a chance of winning in a referendum.
How utterly unfair. How very un-like how we see ourselves as egalitarian kiwis. Looks like some wealthy dictatorial types are in charge now and people getting a fair go, is frowned upon by them.
Plenty of us old white boomers and younger NZders will vote in support of Māori but it’s still a huge risk.
It all comes back to Seymour not having explained WHY we have to go through all this nonsense. His supposed reasons do not add up.
He’s hiding something. Definitely not telling us the whole story.
Until Seymour comes clean no-one is going to take him seriously.
One man is causing all this trouble. Why?
Who would we really prefer as our leader, one well-meaning young woman or 3 secretive, dishonest men, being egged on by people who don’t even live here?
He’s just a smarmy a’hole. It now makes you wonder if his being a champion of the right to die legislation was a budget move rather than one of compassion for those nearing the end. The fact that his reasoning for this Treaty Principles Turd is an absolute sham is lost on a number of people it would seem. Then with weasel words he says no one can point out what’s wrong with a Bill that essentially says signed by Me
The real reason
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/11/20/lets-not-play-into-seymours-hands-by-talk-of-racist-treaty-bill/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR18Hi8wXr7JZfBbSRAIPaqEiegYyNM2PsfMIA-xWpcfjO1kA8rVS1XM5zI_aem_FHepPtEdojDD_2F69I3Uvw#Echobox=1732051939
“By seeing the Treaty Principles Bill for what it truly is, and laying its real purpose bare to the public, rather than focusing predominantly on a strategy that plays into a race-war rhetorical battle which we will most likely lose, we can beat Seymour at his own game”.
Too right. Very disappointed in Jack Tame. In his follow up interview with Debbie Ngarewa-Packer he had the opportunity, on more than one occasion, to drill down on what she meant by saying the TPB was connected to the Atlas Network. A big call. He let it go. Perhaps he doesn’t believe there is an ulterior motive, beyond the framing of human rights, beyond the legal and academic history of defining and interpreting the ToW principles as anti-democratic, beyond the attempt by an elite minority to enshrine different rights for different races. Seemingly common sense? Blatantly colonial? Simply racist? Important as that distinction its not the point really. If Dr Ryan Ward, and others, are on the money, its about opening up New Zealand to corporate exploitation for profit.
Had Jack Tame picked up on Debbie Ngarewa-Packer’s comments it might have gone some way to opening up the debate in this direction.
My question is ,what do the right white think Maori have that they dont .? Is it the poor housing ,poor health ,poverty or what .Clearly they are wanting the sea bed to rape and pilage and the small amount of land that Maori still own .
David says show him a country where indigenous people are given better than Maori .Well the old redneck USA treats the red indians way better .They have their own economy ,police and health system .
This is also a smoke screen for the government while they quietly steal the foreshore and sea bed and lots of other treaty deals .At the same time they are removing workers rights ,Act again leading that destruction ,and the nats are sinking the economy faster than the titanic .
A case of buyer bewear coming home to roost now .Imagine waht the country will be like in two years time ?
Exactly.
His bill is a giant smokescreen.
My submission on the bill.
Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill
My/our comments
How can this bill even be considered for even a select committee let alone be past into law.
When the NZ govt ever since 1840 has done everything possible to denigrate Maori.
Visit this site and see every single action taken http://www.nwo.org.nz
Along with your removal of treaty references in 28 other bills.
in my opinion this bill is nothing but a smokescreen to allow the corporate takeover of NZ with minimal opposition.
The references to everyone equal before the law is smoke and mirrors.
Being equal does not equal does not equal equity.
SO IN NO WAY DO I SUPPORT THIS BILL.
When 40 KC’s and previous members of parliament and previous PM’s describe it as a disgusting piece of legislation I can only agree 100% with them.
KILL THE BILL and the SELECT COMMITTEE hearings.
My/our recommendations
Kill the bill and the Hearings
Are you referring to six rednecks Ada who don’t watch or listen to any thing, they don’t want to hear, a bit like that seemore clown they are following.
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