The Prime Minister’s openness to discussing whether it’s time to ban language and symbols related to the Nazi movement is being welcomed.
You know you are in trouble when Seymour is being the adult in the room.
Only National are soooooooooo racist that they would ban the Nazi Salute so they can arrest Māori!
The Mongrel Mob make the salute because it’s part of their culture to be as offensive as possible.
Many were abused in State Care and see their ostracisation from society with offensive co-opting of Nazi symbols, barking and Sieg Heil’s as a means to reject the community that has rejected them.
I’m not defending their actions but to criminalise them and attempt to start a war against the Gangs is nothing more than counter productive rhetoric that will only start more conflict, not solve anything.
This Government is the dumbest, most stupid, knuckle dragging Government we have had for sometime, and that’s fine, because we are a dumb, stupid and knuckle dragging people.
I bet there are redneck crackers out there who honestly believe criminalising the Sieg Heil will solve crime.
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Whilst the government are hellbent on gangs it’s citizens are at risk due to underfunding of police…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-no-show-to-attempted-home-invasion-leaves-wheelchair-bound-hamilton-woman-terrified/MQ5QA654OBATPHMN6EMFLPW3T4/
Nazi symbols, like most if not all symbols, evolve from roots deeply imbedded in various cultures and mythologies, and banning them outright is worse than ham-fisted, it’s brutal, primitive bullying. Why not ban Wagner’s glorious music then, because of his alleged beliefs ?
However barking derives from animals. Maori hanging from car windows barking like dogs at random passersby is also brutal and primitive bullying. It is terrifying for children, chilling for adults, and it is intended to be.
I’d prefer not to be haunted by the knowledge of Christchurch prostitute Mallory Manning gang-raped by Mongrel Mob members before crawling from the room on all fours like a dog, to a chorus of barking mobsters, before being picked up and tossed into the Avon river, dead or alive. An alleged drug debt. An initiation ceremony for an aspiring mob member. Sub-human behaviour.
Mongrel mob molls barking in court rooms look deranged and probably are. Short of downright shooting these persons like any other rabies-infected canine, any measures to expunge them from society should be welcomed.
The truth is that the White European “Christian” Nazis
invaded 90% of the world from 1550 to 1900 murdering millions.
The simple fact is the worst White European Christian Nazis were the British.
The worst gang action in this lands history was the White British Nazi
invasion 1840-1875.
The conquest and theft of this country and the attempted Nazi genocide
of the Tangata Whenua.
This is what the Right Wing Nazi Treaty principle bill is actually about.
The denial and justification of the British Nazi invasion of our lands.
Banning the Right Wing Nazi gang is way overdue.
Sieg Heil’ all day long.
Hell yeah
And only white people can be racist yeah?
Yes clearly the Ottomans, Aztecs, Chinese, Japanese, Mongols or even Maori conquerors don’t count.
I am not defending the British however I think that the French were and still are worse.
The Belgians weren’t that good, nor the Portuguese. My French ancestors suffered as much as anybody at the hands of the Brits, as did our Scots and Irish, but the cruelty of the Roman Empire with its mass crucifixions, slavery and wholesale appropriation of other countries casts a certain perspective on the antipodean experience.
There is nothing decent about colonialism.
And you highest level of education is what Koina?
Are these gang members responsible for 6 million deaths in the gas chambers under the swastika insignia. It doesn’t really matter where it came from it’s what it represents that actually matters. Many of the gang insignia probably comes from history good or bad however there is no problem to ban these patches no matter their historical relevance
I remember hells angels doing the same thing in the late 1960 but because they are white we dont mention that do we .
Uhhh, explain how Seymour is the adult in the room here?
He has an obvious double standard not wanting to ban swastika under the guise of “wanting to know who the idiots are” but then says the exact opposite about gang patches…
He’s a dishonest hack who can’t decide whether he wants to be a principled libertarian or a right wing reactionary culture warrior
It is a stupid double standard on his part. And banning either one is just nonsense.
National aren’t racist. They’re just a bit dumb.
The woke on twitter are attacking Seymour for “defending” the Nazi salute. Saying it proves he is a Nazi..
The culture war isn’t getting us far is it.
BTW, this doesn’t appear to be some sort of excuse or pretence “ to arrest Maori” per se, it’s anti gang.
Police and politicians are sometimes offered the Nazi salute as a way of saying that they are behaving in a a despotic, tyrannical and arbitrary manner reminiscent of the fascists and I don’t think that it is helpful to ban the means by which some members of the public choose to demonstrate their disaffection with the colonialist regime. If it went beyond banning the salute to banning the “language and symbols” of the Nazi movement it would be truly dangerous, for two reasons. Firstly because the Nazis did not invent the language and symbols and ideas with which they are often associated. They took over and adopted to their own purposes language, symbols and even ideas which were entirely innocent in their original context. So banning “Nazi” language, symbols and ideas would be a severe affront to freedom and common sense. Secondly, if people have fascist sympathies I would like that made clear to me. If they use fascist slogans (as some of the regime’s “leading columnists” have done at times) I can more easily see where they are coming from. I take no pleasure from seeing those slogans used, but banning their use would not make our country a safer place. It would just make it harder for us to know and identify the enemy.
Freedom of expression for Nazis, but not for gang members. Libertarians are full of shit.
Whereas the little wokies want to ban a black conservative American woman from talking here because she’s antisemitic, but the murdering, raping drug dealing nazi saluting mongrel mob got given millions of dollars sponsorship under Labour.
Choose your hypocrisy there’s plenty of fuckwittery going on in Wellington.
And National sponsor white collar crime and raping our country of it’s public service.
thats a right wing lie they did not get sponsorship from the government .The government used the proceeds of crime money to pay for a drug rehab program which happened to be aimed at treating addiction in some gang members .The same program was open to anyone who wanted to take it up .Once again you red necks twisted it to suit your own shit opinion and grab more votes from ignorant people like your self .We will never know the outcome of that program because any enquiry will not ask the right question just like Stanfords jacked up enquiry about the benefits of Maori language in education .That was proven by an AUS fact checker to be lies to suit her anti Maori mantra .
The only people who I hear support nonsense like this are Labour supporters, it’s one of the reasons I’m gone for good. Labour in Victoria even implemented this.
so white NATZI gangs are ok but Maori ones are not ?
Is that the Gaza Holocaust Centre? These Einstein’s should start by banning everything Israeli to show they actually understand the definition of holocaust. As for this lap dog of a government, complicit with the ethnic cleansing crazies while arming actual neonazis in Ukraine: ban yourself. Really, just quit, you’re less than worthless If preventing mass murder and terrorism isn’t your priority, or upholding international law and humanitarian principles isn’t your bag it’s time to go.
Nah, this is the one that solely works to ban all criticism of ‘israel’. Incidentally, it was the traitors of Labour who took steps to join the so-called ‘international holocaust rememberance association’ with their encouragement and that of their parent organization the ‘israel’ institute ‘of new zealand’ with the aim of banning all criticism of ‘israel’ as ‘antisemitic’.
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