First Leaders Debate – A carnival of mediocrity where NZ was the loser

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Martyn Bradbury
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Where two old souls go slowly mad, National Mum and Labour Dad.

James K Baxter – the Ballard of Calvert Street

 

Jesus last nights debate was mediocre.

The first leaders debate that Jessica Mutch heroically attempted to keep relevant was dull and exceptionally boring.

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The format was tiresome, the questions predictable, the arguments used weak.

Chippy and Luxon politely played ping pong which is super dangerous for Labour because all Luxon had to do to win was turn up and not fall over!

Luxon’s interviews are train wrecks and his walking away from media when the hard questions start is now legendary, so all he had to do was not pass out live on TV, which he managed to do, so he was the winner!

Chippy had some moments and the fire was there, but who the fuck is helping him train for these debates  because NZers want a fighter, not Jacinda’s bland neo-kindness!

Labour’s incremental nothings serve no master other than the Right!

The debate was full of dull lifeless answers that peddled talking points rather than answers and vision.

Nothing either of them said will do a fucking thing to confront the challenges in front of us as a people or as a nation.

Labour believe rearranging the bureaucratic systems will somehow save NZ because so much of their Professional Managerial Middle Class activists work in Ministry comms where as National believe slashing everything that moves will solve our issues.

Chippy either brings it in these debates or he loses the election.

It’s as simple as that.

When you consider the radical shift to the right National and ACT represents, the biggest loser last night was New Zealand.

The only winners were the minor parties!

Oh, BTW – our Post Leaders Debate live from Backbenchers Pub in Wellington was raucous, hilarious and once again a triumph for all involved.

 

 

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82 COMMENTS

  1. Chippie’s goneburger. Asked what Labour would do about things he would answer. “What we won’t do is ” then promote all national’s policies for them

  2. They need intelligent perceptive males chairing those debates like they used to have formerly, but the ones who haven’t absconded offshore, may still be hiding from Marama the man hater.

  5. And has anyone commented on the dominant colour of the TV studio set being BLUE? And with the ‘random’ images of the Beehive popping up behind Luxon?
    And what about the closet dominatrix moderating the debate? Appalling!

    • I thought the moderator spoilt the debate she was like a ref that blows the whistle too much and not let the game flow. If she had done this, we would have seen more fire in the belly of both men. I find our NZ media to be full of shite one minute they say New Zealanders don’t like too much negativity and personal attacks the nek minute they say they want more of the above. Luxon has already come out and retracted some of the things he said, he also got away with making shit up. And making shit up has become commonly accepted.

  6. Woke’s new non privileged society in action. They are really going to town on removing the ‘no criminal record’ society in NZ.

    ‘Brutal violence’: Rebels gang members cause chaos in Coromandel
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/brutal-violence-gang-members-cause-chaos-in-coromandel/YR6BQJLWMFHX7GCRBYFGDLTNDI/

    WATCH: PROTESTER AT POSIE PARKER AUCKLAND RALLY PUNCHES ELDERLY WOMAN
    https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/watch-protester-at-posie-parker-auckland-rally-punches-elderly-woman/

    Canada suitcase murder: Mother ‘shocked and angry’ that daughter’s killer is in NZ and fighting to stay as refugee
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/canada-suitcase-murder-mother-shocked-and-angry-that-daughters-killer-is-in-nz-and-fighting-to-stay-as-refugee/4WV4EYP5DRFHDC2WFTGX4FH2BY/

    Albany axe attack: Accused pleads not guilty by reason of insanity
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/albany-axe-attack-accused-pleads-not-guilty-by-reason-of-insanity/ED3MZ4YH6BAUVCEXD2NFC5D2FE/

    Yanfei Bao homicide inquiry: Tingjun Cao identified as the man charged with murdering Christchurch real estate agent
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/revealed-man-accused-of-murdering-missing-christchurch-real-estate-agent-named/2HRPPSOH7NBDBLYNOA2SSYHTME/

    Operation Martinez: Auckland money launderers walk free from court after $123m in cash deposits
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/operation-martinez-auckland-money-launderers-walk-free-from-court-after-123m-in-cash-deposits/ZXZG4SNILFFSXLP4SWX7ZE6XNE/

    Former Pacific Island Safety and Prevention project head Betty Sio fined for stealing from charity
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fraud-office-fines-betty-sio-for-stealing-from-safety-and-prevention-project-charity/FBKBN7ZLWBD2VC3UBSXCDEHKBM/

    NZ woke new society with less ‘privilege’ and a fuck ton of funding from government debts, to support the new lifestyles operating here in NZ. No wonder nobody wants to work anymore!

    Stats NZ defends hosting ‘Check Your Privilege Bingo’ game
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/12/stats-nz-defends-hosting-check-your-privilege-bingo-game.html

    “Other squares in the bingo game include ‘native English speaker’, ‘no criminal record’, ‘first-world’, ‘not a redhead’ and ‘cis’ (having a gender identity that matches the sex you were born with, essentially the opposite of transgender).”

    Keep the privilege out – get the criminals in!

    Shambles of our visa regime: Immigration staff reveal their truth
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/immigration/132853434/shambles-of-our-visa-regime-immigration-staff-reveal-their-truth

  7. I thought the moderator spoilt the debate she was like a ref that blows the whistle too much and not let the game flow. If she had done this, we would have seen more fire in the belly of both men. I find our NZ media to be full of shite one minute they say New Zealanders don’t like too much negativity and personal attacks the nek minute they say they want more of the above. Luxon has already come out and retracted some of the things he said, he also got away with making shit up. And making shit up has become commonly accepted.

  8. LUXON: …During my time in opposition, I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe…I’ve seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion…I’ve seen c-beams glistening at the Tannhauser gate…
    MODERATOR: Sorry, to cut in Mr Luxon. That’s all well and good, but my question is, would NZ go to the aid of Taiwan, if China invades. I know you just want to stick to your talking points and scripted replies and make virtue signaling sweeping statements without providing any substance, and your whole policy package appears to be as deep as a glossy pamphlet delivered in someones junk mail. But can you please just answer the question sir?
    LUXON: Tax cuts!
    MODERATOR: I think it’s time I summaries the debate. Mr Luxon, you’re trying to sell us a policy package, that has been derided by economists, previously dismissed as unfeasible by your predecessor Mr Key, and has not a single reputable accounting firm prepared to stand behind it, with accurate modeling to show its effectiveness.
    It’s a dud isn’t it Mr Luxon. You’re trying to get the electorate to swallow a dead rat dud.
    Your acting like an el cheapo shonky car dealer from fair go, trying to sell us something that’s all shiny bells and whistles with new paint job, but once you get it, you know you’ve been sold a dud, when it craps out, as soon as you get it out of the box, on the day after the election!
    LUXON: The gangs!

  9. Hipkins had his chance and blew it last night. Luxon was way better than I was hoping he would be and took the win.

    That’s it done now, far fewer people will watch the upcoming debates, as is always the way. You need to nail the first one or you are done.

  10. Chippy ….prioritized substance over glib as was noted by Maiki Sherman

    At his best when he gets a bit mad, looks straight down the camera, and lets the passion flow..

    We saw glimpses..When he revved the engine a couple of times Luxon looked like a lost schoolboy.

    Has alot more in the tank as Tau Henera pointed out.

    Luxon……Glib over substance right throughout

    Blurted out alot of meaningless corporate jargon…’chunking down’…’blocking out ‘…ffs…needs to speak proper english.

    The well rehearsed hand gestures got repetitive ,tiresome and in the end, meaningless

    Tried to get technical on a couple of occasions, but made a hash of it, so resorted to lying..

    Jessica Mutch…stats show she talked over the top of Chippy more often especially when he was making some sound points and at one point told Luxon that ‘she loved his energy’….what was all that about???

    A very peculiar thing for a moderator to say.

    Wasted time on vacuous questions like asking Chippy & Luxon what they admired about each other…yawn… and what books they are reading….like they’ve got time for that.. yawn..
    …ffs

    Yep well…that sums up where we are at really.

    In the end, Chippy won on substance.

    Hoping for more substance in the 2nd round.

  11. Mediocre @ MB. Never has brevity been more succinct!
    Yes, the format was tiresome. That needs to change. A task for the producers. For a start let’s change the physical layout of the set and have the two of them facing off (literally), and the cameras catching that kind of dynamic for the viewers. At the very least the cameras need to capture interaction. What viewers mostly saw last night were framed images of either Luxton or Hipkins talking to the camera, but rarely the two of them eyeballing each other. Capturing reaction (and body language) adds to the dynamic. I’m not a producer but surely the producers these days know a little about semiotics. Without that interaction, captured by the camera for the viewers at home, boring, boring, boring, ad infinitum.
    Yes, the questions asked were predictable. Again a task for producers. Or script writers? Or editors? And, do the leaders need to view the questions before-hand? Effectively, to rehearse their arguments. Is this indeed the practice in the msm TV “debates”?
    Yes, the arguments were weak. Same old more government, less government. There are bigger underlying issues are there not? And, the moderator needs to hold their respective feet to the fire at every opportunity.

  12. Was not impressed with the Mutch woman, kept interrupting them when they were speaking and shouting T each other. Dogs breakfast IMHO.

  13. Nice to have meet you Bomber. Keep up the great work.

    Thanks for providing a space where you don’t get cancelled if you call out gender ideology!

  14. Talk about lack lustre dreadful really, pat on the back to one another.

    I don’t blame Mutch – she did an okay job, BUT neither of them stick to the questions asked, pathetic.

    Very boring.

    OMG whose idea was it to have Tau Henare – dreadful – well past it.

  15. Why did you expect anything less than a superficial slogan fest?

    That’s been the nature of these television “debates” since the early 1980s.
    Sometimes they might degenerate into a verbal word salad and competitive shouting match but the common factor is that the intellectual policy content is invariably dismal.

  16. She also asked “should transgender be allowed to play sport?”
    Shows her ignorance. No one is saying transgender women shouldn’t play sport. Not just women’s sport (with the odd exception where being male doesn’t give you an advantage)

    • Yep I think womens (and childrens rights) will come around and bite Nats/Lab and the media on the butt.

      NZ women and parents have had enough of the wilful ignorance which is just another way of saying we are too chickenshit to have the debate or worse, let you have the debate.

      See the trans lobby all masked up and causing trouble again today. Not an unmasked one in the bunch – what does it tell you? Just as with Albert Park, it was all arranged beforehand. Good to see the police doing their job today and bless them, the womens rights ladies appeared to be having a pleasant morning in the sun and seemed to be entirely ignoring the Trans violence merchants.

  17. Would rather clean the oven than watch this crappola, (heh, little joke there, self cleaning oven…) but hey, the Natzos want to keep quiet about them enabling the man to stick it to you, and NZ Labour want to fly under the radar on their inability to stick it to the man…what the…

    It is shaping up as a real lottery election this one…unless the filthy sheep shagging Natzos consistently hit 40% it is open for all money still.

  18. Martyn, ever since you got into election mode, I have had little in common with you but in this you nailed it.

    The debate showed how little difference there was between them. Race was the only area I could see where there is a difference but to be fair, I turned it off about 2/3rds the way through.

  19. Can’t stand that women’s schreeching voice, she just loves the sound of her own voice. Hopefully TV One can find someone better for the next debate, someone with some professional skills to be the moderator.

  20. I suppose it would be a stretch to think you would link our inflation to the $7 pay rise pushed through by Labour. If the bottom layer gets $7 then those above are entitled to expect a rise none of which is related to increase in productivity.

  21. Would have been better if they stuck to one or two topics in more detail.

    I hate the fact that neither had anything to buy into for NZ.

    Closest was Chris Luxon’s passion for NZ I’d have to say – but that is not something for me to buy in to.

    Give us details on a subject – kiwi’s can listen to them & understand TV One.

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